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Hello dear viewers, welcome to RTalk,
a place where we agree to disagree
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if we disagree at all.
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And today, our guests are - myself Inna Upart,
René Vögtli and Adriano Fattizzo.
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Welcome, welcome everyone.
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Hello, René!
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Hello Adriano! How are you.
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First I would like to thank René for inviting me to the Team RTalk.
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I think for more than two years
I've been following and supporting the project,
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meeting new people, discovering new spaces,
areas of knowledge, and constantly learning
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That's why it's been an honor for me to host this RTalk
and to be with you,
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an it's a chance to meet the two of you.
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So I think first I would like to introduce my guests.
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And of course, if you want to add
something, or correct me, so please do.
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René Vögtli, we'll start with you.
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René is a full-time Reki Master Teacher
since 1992.
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Before that, he worked as a commodity trader
and he has lived in Europe, Africa and Asia.
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Together with his wife Mischa Vögtli-Egloff
they run reiki-international.ch
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giving Reiki classes and training Master-teachers globally.
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And today, they live in Switzerland
and Greece, and have two sons.
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And the grandson?
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Yes.
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René has been a founder of and a member
in committees of exclusive and inclusive
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Reiki organizations, and he is the Source of
Reiki-Conciliation focusing on reconciliation
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within the Reiki community.
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And his projects can be
observed on reiki-concilition.org.
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I have met René in one of these projects.
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I used to work as a part of the RCircle team
who were doing the translations for the videos -
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interviews with Phyllis Lei Furumoto,
which is called 66 Steps on the Path to Reconciliation.
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So that's where I met,
actually both René and Adriano.
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And since then, it's been an
exciting and nourishing journey for me.
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So, hello René.
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Hello everyone.
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Thank you for hosting.
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And my first question is, how does this
feels, René, being a guest in the RTalk?
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It feels good.
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I didn't have to prepare as
much as normally when I host.
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But I feel also a little bit awkward
because Adriano isn't introduced.
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I don't want to speak before Adriano.
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Ah all right.
That's ok.
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Well, you're right.
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I would like to introduce Adriano as well.
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Adriano is a freelance designer who is
known and worked with René for many years.
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In the beginning, Adriano was a creator of a Vimeo
project for the interviews with Phyllis Lei Furumoto.
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And six years ago, he helped founding the the Reiki Conciliation project
where he took over the technical direction,
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designed and programmed the website,
and is responsible for the graphics design.
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And as he writes on his website he is versatile,
curious, and mainly self-thought.
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And I would add - I came to know Adriano, as I said,
together with the project of interviews with Phyllis Lei Furumoto.
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And for me, Adriano has always been a magic
wizard behind the scene, a guy who helped endlessly.
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And he's been always supportive and
highly caring, I would say, and loving.
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And I really... it's my great,
great pleasure to be with you here.
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Thank you very much for that introduction.
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That's very kind of you.
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So René, back to you.
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So how does it feel?
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Being a guest of the RTalk?
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I'm really grateful.
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It's a feeling of
gratitude and gratefulness.
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You know, you, both of you,
have been so supportive all these years.
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And as a young man, I was highly sensitive
to any critical comment about anything.
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I was very touchy.
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And as I matured, hopefully, I started
to learn to appreciate critical feedback.
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And you have been two people on which I could
blindly rely, giving me very critical feedback.
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And it was easy for me to accept, because I knew
that you were coming from a caring, from a loving spot.
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So to be here today together with you
today is a great sense of gratitude.
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Well, thanks René.
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I would say that I feel the same.
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And it brings me to this subject
of our conversation - "The value".
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Actually, the value,
the Source of the topic was Adriano.
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And before I ask you, Adriano, why?
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Why have you been talking about "the value" when
we were thinking of having this RTalk together?
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I would say that gratitude, René, that
you talked about was actually this kind of...
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because "the value" for me, when you
evaluate something, it's kind of exchange.
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You take something and
you give something back.
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So the value for me, I think of the whole of
my being here,
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and maybe not just here, but being part of this project
is really a huge sense of gratitude for what's been going on,
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both in the relationship, in our team
work, and also for the project itself,
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the fruits that it's bringing to the world.
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So Adriano, I still, I do have this question.
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You don't have to, you know, if you don't
feel like elaborating it, it's okay, but still,
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you were talking... you were the
one who was talking about the value.
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So why?
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For being honest, if I remember right, I
was just using the wrong word in that email,
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not the wrong word, but it was not,
let's say, the right, in the right direction,
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I was much more talking about the form, a form
of RTalk, about which direction it was heading,
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and then you two were taking that word...
well, you immediately were putting something into that word,
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which for being honest, I don't know,
what background you have, taking that word,
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but maybe I have, as it happens sometimes,
I have, I've given that word as a keyword,
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and then you put something into that word,
which I wasn't aware of,
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and I'm now pretty curious about
what you have seen in that word.
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Thanks, Adriano.
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It's actually like throwing some
feather into the water, and it's...
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it starts going with the stream.
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Yeah, I think it's also part of the
teamwork that is happening when like...
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nourishing one another with
these spontaneous remarks,
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and still, for you, Adriano, what is the
value of the RTalk, is there any?
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There is, for sure, but I don't have
the same background as René has, for sure,
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because in the beginning we were not on
the same plate, let's say, what the R means,
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if the R means Reiki, if the R means reconciliation,
if the R means René,
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I think it means all three of this keyword,
but I think it has a value,
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it has a value because in the meantime
there are, if I'm not wrong, about 50 RTalks,
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I think, you know, that's right, about 50 art talks,
and that brought to us a very broad range of people,
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and opinions, and that was, that was
very interesting, that was very interesting,
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and only for this it has its value, just for this.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Do you have a favorite one?
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No.
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I have a few.
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You have a few! Okay.
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Yeah, I have a few, absolutely.
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And, René, back to you, what is the value for you,
but for you, as René, of this project?
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And I know that it's not the only one of yours.
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Yeah.
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I think that the email exchange
where Adriano used the expression "value",
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was dealing with the question,
how are we going to go into the future?
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Now I will take a sabbatical over summer 2023,
and the question is,
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how will we continue in the fall?
So obviously,
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needing, desperately needing critical
feedback, and the objective analysis.
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The question arose... we are producing
every three weeks for three years, an RTalk,
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at quite the significant effort.
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What's the value of it?
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So in that context, and also how
many people are actually watching it,
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how many people are actually
switching on the translations,
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one of the trademarks of the RTalks has been,
that it has been translated in many languages.
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Is it worthwhile, our effort, to achieve the objective?
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And what is the objective?
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So the value of the RTalks to me, it
has been like how Adriano just presenting,
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such a broad offer from interesting
people with interesting views,
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and we were able to talk in a
spirit of agreeing and a disagreeing,
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with each other.
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That in itself has a reconciling effort that,
with presenting so many people with different opinions,
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the viewer who quite understandably and
naturally has his own preconceived opinions,
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will be confronted almost with an
opinion very alien to his worldview.
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And because of the way it is presented,
he will open his own mind and say, or she,
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will open her mind and say, wow,
that's an interesting point of view,
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never thought about it like that.
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So it's maybe not the coincidence that just a
week ago I received an email from a person who said,
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I did Reiki some six years ago, and I
was quite discouraged when I saw how many,
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how many dissonances, how many disharmonies
are on the internet and how many different opinions,
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and I was about to let go of my Reiki practice
because I saw so many people fighting with each other,
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and then I came across the RTalks,
and I started to see these different peoples,
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and this motivated me again to practice Reiki.
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So this was only a week ago, and this is
representative for the value of the RTalks,
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and the reconciliation project as a whole.
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Well, that's really, that's
amazing what you're talking about.
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Well, if I may add, to go a step further, and
that person volunteered to translate the videos
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and even going back into past videos, into her
mother tongue, so it wasn't just kind words spoken,
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it wasn't actually a deep profound commitment
of time and energy inherent now and for the future.
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Yeah, I would say for me too, it's like being an
audience, representing also an audience of the RTalk,
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I would say that both the diversity of
people who are taking part in the RTalks
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and also my more intimate touch, intimate
encounter with the RTalk as a translator.
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It had a very big value, just as my encounter
with the interviews of Phyllis as a translator,
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had a very, very big impact on my Reiki practice,
my Reiki path, and the same thing here.
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It was kind of a continuation, yeah, with
meeting people, discovering new horizons,
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and yeah, agreeing to disagree,
absolutely.
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I think this motto was also very valuable for me, right.
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You know, I was sorry for interrupting, I was
recently at a political economic meeting in Zurich,
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and the people spoke about the future of
political and economic developments globally.
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And one thing came out very clearly,
that the humanity only have a chance
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if you're starting to make an effort of realizing
whatever I say and think is the product of my own biases.
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And my other, the person I'm dealing with is speaking likewise
and both have a value, whether I agree with the opinion or not.
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So this is basically a matter of consciousness, or
like Bruce Springsteen said in one of the RTalks,
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that it's a sign of maturity if we can hold two
contradictory thoughts in our own mind at the same time.
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And I think that the value of the RTalks
very strongly is... present exactly this point.
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So hopefully it's actually a contribution
to consciousness, in a specified way.
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Sorry, I took the word there, Inna,
you were about to say something.
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No, it's just also very valuable for
the topic, for what we're discussing.
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This conversation, for me, at least it's a kind
of retrospective, you know, what has been done.
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And I know that since you René are going for a sabbatical,
one of the questions is whether to continue with a project
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and if yes, in which form,
and I'm not going to ask this question now.
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But I would like to ask actually both of you about the feeling,
the gut feeling that you have now regarding what's...
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this is a kind of transition moment...
what's next?
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so Adriano, any gut feelings?
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Probably yesterday I was thinking about this topic
and I was listening to myself to my own gut.
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What, what is my feeling about the future
of the RTalk, of the project.
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Or, let's not mix the project, Reiki Conciliation with the RTalks,
And I don't have an answer
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for being honest, I don't have an answer,
if René takes a sabbatical, perhaps this is a path to go also for me,
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I'm just staying here in Switzerland.
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And, but it takes some time, it takes some time
to think about, to get a feeling of it,
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because we both know that sometimes it was encouraging
and sometimes it was frustrating
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because we didn't get that feedback, we didn't get that...
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and viewers, which we were anticipating,
and, but let's put that aside and...
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take... taking a sabbatical and we have to,
we have to see after, I can't answer you that right now.
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I was not looking for the answer here.
Yeah.
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René?
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Well, I think that in the words of Adriano, there was,
I'm tempted to say as usual, always a high degree of wisdom,
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because he mentioned, Rene is going on a sabbatical
and that gives me time for a timeout too.
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And this is actually true for everyone. It's true for the sponsors,
it's true for the guests who have been invited
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and would be in future invited to the RTalks,
and you Inna used the word "transition".
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So, yes, and we don't know the answer. My gut feeling today is
that something new is coming out of this.
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I don't know what, maybe the viewers of this video, maybe
when I say the team around Reiki Conciliation, who is the team?
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Yes, at the very core is particularly Adriano and I,
and you have particularly with the RTalks coming to it, Inna,
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in an advisory kind of consultant role,
very powerfully for which I'm so grateful.
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But it's of course many more people and the translators, again,
this was said earlier on by you Inna, translating the RTalks
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every so often and quite regularly translators
come back to me and say, this is amazing.
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You guys spoke exactly about the kind of topic which is important
in my life right now, and I found answers to that answers in it.
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So, they're going, they're part of the future of this project as well.
The are going through the transition as well.
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And it's amazing that this sabbatical which I had dreamed of or planned
for a number of years is coming this summer and it seems to be so timely.
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So my gut feeling today to answer your question again is
I don't know the outcome. I don't know how it will look in
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September, October. But I do feel today this summer 2023 is going to
catalyze some new insights and it will probably be something new.
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Even if it is dressed in the old robes in the same makeup, but
underneath it all there will be a transition, maybe even a metamorphosis.
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And it's right time for that.
It's probably right now.
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Why do you say that?
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No, just because sometimes we know.
I don't know why I don't know how, but I think it's right.
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It's right time for that.
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Even if I don't know the outcome, I know it's going to become...
I don't know what happens but it's the right time for it.
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I so agree with you Adriano. And I personally, of course, I've had
at the end of the April this what I call involuntary medical experiment.
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So, hemorrhage, that's the expression
the doctors use for describing what I experienced
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and thanks for that I came out of it without any
of the symptoms often associated with something like that.
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So, this to me is like an a signal from the Universe or God
or I don't know which says the timing of this timeout
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is perfect now also because for me this medical issue very much
projected the question into the fourth foreground of my
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all of my perception, not just my thinking, also my feelings,
what is really important to you René?
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What are your priorities? And where are you going with reconciliation?
What's important about reconciliation?
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And reconciliation within the Reiki community is great
and we can ask ourselves maybe
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that has been achieved to a great extent because to some extent
it will continue to give cause for new reconciliation.
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That's how life works but have we set the framework
that the community is able to agree to disagree in future
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and it doesn't need so much focus
on reconciliation within the Reiki community.
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But reconciliation is personal anyhow
so it needs to be, transponded
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and that was one of my visionary hopes.
It needs to go beyond the Reiki community into the families, into nations.
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If it goes into politics, into nations, let's, you know,
we have a war in Europe, let's not forget that.
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If we can have a movement by example within our community
which gives cause and raises hope that reconciliation is possible elsewhere.
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It's only half a joke when I say this movement should deserve the peace Nobel Prize eventually. So I think that when October comes, all of us will have an inkling
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whether we need to do more within our community, what we need to do more within our community, how to refurbish, refill the vessel, RTalk
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or how can we bring the reconciliation beyond our community into the world.
So I'm leaving for this summer
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filled with this kind of musings and ponderings
and I'm so excited to wait and see what comes my way.
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And I'm thinking of when you were talking I was thinking of... it really feels, for me at
least, it feels like the seed of this timeout or a break for, for rethinking,
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For reflecting and probably reconciling, could it be that the seed would be like...
would not have just this local René's or René's and Adriano's
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or René's and Adriano's and Inna's opportunity,
but the opportunity for a bigger scope and bigger space.
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And particularly for the team around Reiki Conciliation, which as I said
includes the translators, you know, there are more than 40 people
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who in the last three years have helped us.
So that's a big group of people.
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But it's also the sponsors, it's the guests and many other people
who are involved one way or another, not least,
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for example, my wife, who supports me and all of this work also.
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Not least, Adriano's partner who who is also supporting Adriano
with what he is contributing to a Reiki Conciliation.
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So it's more than just the three of us.
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Yeah, so it looks like this is a moment to wish
you René a really wonderful journey in this sabbatical.
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And I think we'll be... everyone of us will be
part of this journey, maybe even without being in touch.
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Adriano, I think we are... before we are closing this session,
something that you would like to say?
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How do you feel?
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I think the words we were using right now in the end now - the optimistic words,
which is perfectly connected to the expression "the value",
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because the optimistic view, the curiosity,
what happens now, it's the right time.
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That is the perfect value for me.
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And that closes for me also in a
very optimistic way now this session.
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Thank you. René, still as a guest, your farewell words
to the audience who is going for this sabbatical.
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I was just very touched by what the Adriano
just said. So this little I can add to that.
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I can of course personally say goodbye
to everyone and thank you for everything.
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And I'm looking forward to
reconnecting in the future.
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So other than that, I just want to go over in this...
in the nice feeling brought up by Adriano just now.
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Right, so here we are - René and Adriano and me
and thank you very, very much for this, for this RTalk.
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And we're looking forward for what comes next.
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Thank you very much. Thank you Inna.
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Okay. Bye.
