RTalk 'Unravel the Crochet' - Frank Arjava Petter

11 June 2021

It seems that every generation has its own challenges, and that the Corona pandemic is our challenge today…and yet, especially in difficult times, solutions are sometimes easier than you think. So what is our chance in this pandemic-ridden time?

“Corona is our Chance!

In this R-Talk, René Vögtli turns his attention to world traveller, book author and Reiki teacher Frank Arjava Petter. It is a conversation about freedom, about presence and about lived spirituality.

What is really important to me? It is precisely in this reflection that our chance for real change may lie, especially today.

It is not just that many of us have more time to be with ourselves. Corona flushes everything to the surface, our fear as well as our anger, our lack of trust in the state as well as the “otherness” of the “other”. Corona just throws everything relentlessly up and lays it on the table so that we can look at it and process it … and just as a crocheted piece of needlework can be unraveled with one pull, so the twists and tangles in our minds can be undone in one swish move. But what does it take? How can we get to the bottom of ourselves?

“Basically people don’t suffer from karma but from their own unawareness”.

In the conversation with Frank Arjava Petter, the training of our conscious being comes to the fore. By reminding ourselves again and again to be present in every moment and to be fully aware of this moment with all our senses – be it in meditation, be it during a Reiki treatment, be it while swimming or even while riding a motorbike. For Arjava it means to consciously perceive freedom in this moment, intensively experienced on his regular motorbike rides. Freedom does not mean letting oneself go. On the contrary, it means to him being incredibly responsible for everything we do, what we think, what we say.

External freedom, however, is reflected in the experience of inner stillness, during meditation or during a Reiki application or other spiritual practices. This is what we all have in common and where we are not separate, where we are one with everyone and with everything that is. So awareness can become our key to unraveling our own Gordian knots during these times.

“All that matters to me is the love that I have in my heart. Everything else is meaningless.”

Biography 

Frank Arjava Petter lived in Japan for twelve years where he operated a language school, a translation/interpretation service and a therapy centre. He presently lives with his family in Eressos, Lesbos Island, Greece and teaches Reiki, Meditation and Family Constellations (family therapy) worldwide. 

Arjava is originally German, but has lived and worked abroad most of his adult life. His professional career has taken him from being an organic farmer to working as a motion picture set decorator, from being a photographer to upgrading and repairing computers. He has worked in construction, as a therapist as well as being one of the personal body- guards and gardeners of the Indian Mystic and Meditation Master, Osho.

This wide variety of jobs has taught him how to work with people of all ages from different races, cultures and backgrounds.

Arjava has been teaching Reiki since 1993 but his deeper and internationally celebrated involvement with Reiki began when he “discovered” the grave and memorial of Reiki founder Mikao Usui in Tokyo and original documents by Usui and his students. 

His research culminated in the publication of his international bestselling books translated into 22 languages (see Publications). Presently he spends his days writing inspirational texts and fiction to be published in the near future.

Website

Frank Arjava Petter: frankarjavapetter.com

Publications 

“Reiki Fire”, “Reiki, the legacy of Dr. Usui”, “The original Reiki Handbook of Dr. Mikao Usui”,“The Spirit of Reiki”, “Reiki best Practices”, “The Reiki techniques of Dr. Hayashi”, “Glücklichsein”, “Reiki ganz Klar” “This is Reiki”, “One with Reiki”

Arjava’s books have been translated in 22 languages.

The most recent work „… is …:Awakening, Wanting Nothing and Participating in Everything”. During the filming of this video the book was at the verge of being published as was discussed on minute 30:41

References

03:58 Motorbike scene and other biographical references: …recounts-frankly-and-freely

11:54 Unconditional Basic Income: mein-grundeinkommen.de (in German) 

20:45 “Golden Rule” (Don’t do upon others what you don’t want to be done to yourself): goldenruleproject.org

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Hello everyone!

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No, Crochet is not what we're talking about.

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It's 'Unravel the Crochet'.

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My guest today is Frank Arjava Petter in Greece.

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And this is the plac...
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Hello everyone!

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No, Crochet is not what we're talking about.

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It's 'Unravel the Crochet'.

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My guest today is Frank Arjava Petter in Greece.

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And this is the place where we agree to disagree.

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Welcome to RTalk.

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Hello Arjava in Greece.

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Good morning, René, nice to see you again.

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It's a little awkward to speak in English to you. Normally we speak in our mother tongue German.

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How is it in Greece? The weather? It's early morning, right?

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Yeah, it's early morning and spring has come.

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The swallows have arrived it's beautiful. Beautiful sunny weather. I think I’ll go for a swim today.

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Maybe ...

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about 17-18 degrees Celsius.

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Beautiful, just gorgeous! Blue skies, incredible sunsets in the evening.

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Nice.

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You know, in my age 18 degrees water the sea is simply too cold.

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I wait until it's getting a little bit warmer.

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Dear guests, dear viewers, you're not here to listen to us about the sea in Greece.

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At this point I very briefly want to introduce my guest Arjava.

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In the Reiki community he needs no real introduction. He is literally world famous.

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But I’m going to - just for some of you or for people outside our community -

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I’m going to have a few corner points:

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Arjava, and I just played a little bit, he is a few years younger than I am, he is born in 1960 in Germany.

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He was 18 when he left his native country, and so just imagine 1978 that was,

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and went to India to live in a spiritual commune with Osho.

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He later he was there several years

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went to the united states of America where he lived for seven years, six years.

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After America he found himself in japan for 12 years.

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In 1992 he embarked on the Reiki journey.

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And in 1997 he released ...

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a ...

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literally a game-changing book of historic value ...

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'Reiki Fire', his first of many, many books.

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I have just a few here.

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And, dear viewers, you will find all the references

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later on our website and also in the description of the video

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if you want to check all that up.

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As a result of 'Reiki Fire'

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he started to become a much sought after teacher all over the globe.

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In 2002 he temporarily went back to Germany.

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Temporarily, that's about seven years

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when he then moved to where he is right now in Greece

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together with his wife Bhakti and his two children.

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So ...

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Arjava, I want to introduce no more of you. I rather have you talk.

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So, without further ado and you may want to tell the viewers a little bit why we're here today

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and ...

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also how we got to talk about the topic

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and who you are. But first ...

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I want to show you a small film.

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(Motor sound and wind.)

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(In German: Riding a motor bike that is freedom.

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My name means 'Freedom'.

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Freedom means to me

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freedom, responsibility, lightness

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This is what I feel when riding a motorbike and gives me absolute joy.)

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This is one of the passions we share, I’m a motor biker too although I haven't got my bike for a while.

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And ... This little video clip was in German ...

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So, maybe you want to talk about your name and introduce yourself a little bit to my viewers, please?

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All right, okay.

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So, my given name Frank, frank means free

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and therefore freedom is

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one of my key values in life. I just love being free.

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But freedom doesn't mean licentious, doesn't mean that you can do whatever the hell you want

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but it means to be incredibly responsible

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for everything that you do, everything that you think,

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everything that you say, yeah? And that's kind of my motto in life.

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But ... what that does for me is I love

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riding motorcycles. I have two big bikes here that I ...

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I enjoy every day and gives me this wonderful freedom. I also have a boat that I go out

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in the sea with and I just love to have this incredible space

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because it reminds me and the same is true for the motorcycle driving

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of that incredible space in your heart which is just empty and spacious

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and gives room to everything that there is.

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That's what I like.

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I think that's a good introduction to myself.

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All the things you have already said and they don't really matter, you know, at least not for me.

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They're all ... All that matters for me is the love that I have in my heart. Everything else is meaningless

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And that brings us halfway to our ...

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(laughs)

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rather poetic subject of ...

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This is a Crochet. I had to learn it from my wife

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because I didn't really know what the Crochet was.

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And my viewers may wonder how we got to

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give our conversation this particular title?

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We could have also taken the Gordian Knot or something like that

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because when Arjava and I spoke about the possibility of

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this very conversation, about a week ago we chatted,

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...

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you Arjava use the terminology

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'psycho-emotional'.

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and in that context we were talking about - in German it is:

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unknotting, unravelling the complexity of our personality.

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So, give me a few words about 'unravelling the Crochet'.

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(laughs) Okay, Okay.

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So, basically we - in Japanese terminology, it's believed that we - are made of

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three bodies.

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And those three bodies are, first of all our physical body, the conscious part of ourselves.

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Then the ...

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...

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next part is the psycho-emotional bodies - there are several -

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our unconscious part

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and then there is the soul,

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which the Japanese believe that all of us have one

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and all of us have been given this soul by the gods during ...

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the pregnancy of our mom around the third or fourth month, yeah?

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So, all of that makes up one human being and those three bodies are:

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one.

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And they are one just like an orange

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is one.

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We talked about this a few days ago, René, that when you look at an orange,

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you don't see the peel of the orange and then

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you see the little white membrane inside and then the fruit-

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flesh inside and the seeds inside. It's all one in the same way

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we consider ourselves also to be one.

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Yeah? But we are one with all of our entanglements.

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(laughs)

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Entanglements are happening on the psycho-emotional level and now,

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especially during this Covid times I think this is the perfect chance

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to work on some of those entanglements and to unravel them.

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Yeah!

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Actually, when you described the Japanese model, let me call it that,

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it isn't all that different from other paradigms in other cultures.

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The approach or maybe the terminology may change somewhat

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but you reminded me of the World Health Organization which says,

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when it describes our holistic being. It takes the physical body the physical level of our existence

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the emotional level, the mental level,

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we are also a social specie, we have social needs and capabilities

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and finally the spiritual level.

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So, that's roughly ...

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it's not all that different from what you said in the Japanese context, don't you think?

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However you look at the human being the truth is always the same.

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It doesn't matter whether you look from a Japanese point of view,

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from a western point of view, from an Indian or Chinese point of view, the human is the same.

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So the expression of truth might be different depending on culture and

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language and the climate and everything but really, when you look deeply into things,

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they're all the same. In India for example they have a more complex idea.

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They believe that there are seven bodies

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So, it's much more structured but it's the same thing.

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We're just looking at the same thing from different angles.

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It's amazing and in fact we're close to one of the things which fascinates me.

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I want to ... I like to do this in my RTalks:

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my guests often come from within the Reiki - actually they all come from within the Reiki community -

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Reiki is a holistic treatment Reiki has a strong spiritual component.

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So, to look at things a little bit from outside the bubble I very often ...

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choose to take models and thought processes

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from politics or economy or things like that. And I want to ...

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do you know what the Universal Basic Income is?

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No. No, I don't know.

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Okay. We in Switzerland we call it ...

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the ...

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- let me see, how do I do this? I had to add this ... here.

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we call it the Unconditional Basic Income.

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And in fact, the idea behind it is - and Switzerland had a people's initiative five years ago, six years ago

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where the people voted

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on the decision whether to ask the government or ...

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give the dictate to the government to implement the law

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in favour of this concept. And basically the idea is to create a society where we guarantee every member

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who is born, literally from the day one, until the day when they die

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an essential coverage, a monetary coverage, a payment which guarantees their existence.

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'Unconditional' is the key word behind it. That actually means

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that people don't need to work to gain it.

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So, in this discussion there were two arguments which questioned the sensibility.

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One was is it financially doable?

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And the other one was, well, if everybody gets a salary ...

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who is going to do the work?

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And this is where it becomes interesting to me. And has to do with what you just said.

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Because ...

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they made a research and they discovered the following:

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the majority of the people asked in the research

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said, of course, they would continue to work even if they had

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their existence guaranteed with a basic income.

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Then they took these same, say, 90 people

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and asked them:

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"In confidence, between you and me,

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what do you think the other 89 people what do they do?"

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And the majority of these 90 people, that is 67 people statistically, said

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that they think:

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"I will work but not the others."

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And that to me is such an interesting statistics because

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it somehow shows how people have a comprehension of themselves

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assuming that the other is different.

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and you touched upon that and very beautifully.

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You said that we're actually under the surface all one.

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So, share with me a little bit your thoughts, Arjava please,

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why is this in your opinion that we get side-tracked and

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have so often the illusion that my species, my group, my gender,

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my race, myself ... I am like this and everyone else is different?

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All right. You know, I think that basically people don't suffer from

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Karma ...

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or from bad experiences but people suffer from unawareness,

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from the lack of reflectiveness.

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So, for me this is the medicine for everything, yeah.

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Always reflect back to you, whatever happens,

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look back at your own heart

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see what suits you see what doesn't suit you

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and then make your choices in that way, yeah.

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So, don't project on the others, don't look at other people,

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always point the mirror at your own face.

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And then you will see that inside of you and inside of the others is exactly the same thing.

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There is no difference.

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So ...

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the reason that people get

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attached with their opinions and their

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philosophies and their ...

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meaning of things is that they are not aware and they have not created

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a distance between the one who is thinking

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and the one who is watching the thoughts.

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(laughs)

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So, this is for me the main problem.

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And the reason for that is that there are entanglements in the psycho-emotional self.

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So, we have gone through lots of experiences in our past,

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traumatic experiences if you believe only in one life.

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Just think of yourself. There are so many situations in which you got hurt, in which you felt

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vulnerable and you got hurt. So many, many, many situations.

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If you believe in multiple lives, oh my god, it's tremendous! And all of these experiences

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are in the unconscious and they are the driving force in their unconscious.

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They make us do things that we don't want to do.

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So, the voices made me do it, eh?

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This is the problem. This we cannot have. We must start to

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question everything,

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to reflect everything and hopefully then be able to come to a conclusion

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out of the moment out of this moment and not out of a

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long forgotten past. And those of us who practice Reiki we have the beautiful chance

0:18:07.040,0:18:10.261
to work on that by working on the body

0:18:11.491,0:18:14.622
and paying attention while you're working on the body

0:18:15.027,0:18:22.632
because when you're working on the body, you're immediately working on the psycho-emotional self, too, coming back to the

0:18:23.402,0:18:32.036
image of that orange because they are one. The whole package is one and they are interconnected when I touch the body

0:18:32.549,0:18:38.387
I also touch the psycho-emotional self when I heal the body or ...

0:18:39.653,0:18:43.045
not right to say that. When the body heals,

0:18:43.956,0:18:47.493
yeah, also the psycho emotional self heals.

0:18:47.660,0:18:53.127
So, this is one way we can work on it by just doing our self-treatments.

0:18:54.815,0:19:00.844
And another way to do it is to work directly on the psycho-emotional level

0:19:01.236,0:19:07.813
with the second degree Reiki. So, I don't want to get into more detail with it

0:19:07.847,0:19:11.267
but with this you can work on patterns,

0:19:12.111,0:19:19.060
on old habits, on substance or whatever other abuse.

0:19:19.725,0:19:25.582
And that's really, really wonderful to do to disentangle

0:19:26.320,0:19:30.954
all those little things inside that make us suffer

0:19:31.286,0:19:34.941
and we know what they are. We all do.

0:19:36.160,0:19:42.092
It's so easy, you don't need a therapist, you don't need somebody very clever to tell you what it is.

0:19:42.881,0:19:47.827
You know when and how you violate yourself.

0:19:48.550,0:19:51.031
And it's great , eh?

0:19:51.190,0:19:56.695
So, catch yourself when you when you see that you're violating yourself or another.

0:19:57.830,0:20:00.631
Immediately go and look where does this come from.

0:20:01.040,0:20:01.950
And work on it.

0:20:02.935,0:20:07.843
And that way you can starve these patterns to death if you don't feed them.

0:20:08.340,0:20:09.811
So, first ... the first thing is ...

0:20:10.685,0:20:14.001
awareness! You must be aware of the fact that you're doing it.

0:20:15.501,0:20:18.688
Yeah? That's why I said initially people don't suffer from ...

0:20:18.959,0:20:22.288
basically from karma, but they suffer from their unawareness.

0:20:22.388,0:20:27.391
So, the first thing is: we must be aware, we must be watchful.

0:20:28.451,0:20:33.376
And then catch the patterns when they come up and work on them.

0:20:33.949,0:20:35.584
And not follow them.

0:20:38.003,0:20:44.860
You know, as you spoke, it reminded me of one of the what many people call a 'golden rule':

0:20:45.282,0:20:49.947
"Don't do upon others what you don't want to be done to yourself."

0:20:50.916,0:20:54.061
Or also, and this is ...

0:20:56.230,0:21:04.721
in many thoughts, in many practices - be that spiritual practices or psychoanalysis or whatever -

0:21:06.391,0:21:10.652
the question of putting yourself in the shoes of the other

0:21:11.200,0:21:18.138
because, as you said, we know what hurts us and where we do damage upon ourselves

0:21:18.892,0:21:23.349
and if we empathize with the other, that he is going through the same emotion,

0:21:23.682,0:21:29.840
I think that is almost like half of the solution, if not more than half of the solution.

0:21:31.501,0:21:36.206
Definitely. The lack, I think, is really that people

0:21:36.718,0:21:44.786
experience, many people experience themselves as an individual, a separate individual.

0:21:44.837,0:21:49.725
So, it's me and then it's you, René. You are there I am here.

0:21:50.690,0:21:57.942
This is my sweater, my house, my wife, my kids, my motorcycle, my, my, my, my, my.

0:21:58.677,0:22:00.826
So, I’m very focused on the ...

0:22:03.057,0:22:06.416
the ego centeredness of the whole thing.

0:22:07.359,0:22:11.056
But the moment that I go deeply into the self

0:22:12.051,0:22:17.690
in meditation or in Reiki, the moment I go deeply into it I realize that

0:22:17.961,0:22:19.679
there is nothing there.

0:22:20.674,0:22:24.633
It's just spaciousness.

0:22:26.092,0:22:30.633
I think I remember that you've been to Africa also.

0:22:30.784,0:22:37.555
I went to Africa several times and one of the most amazing experiences for me was

0:22:38.424,0:22:45.463
this vast open spaces. There's nothing, no people, no thought process anywhere.

0:22:46.096,0:22:51.871
And the only thing I could think of that comes close to that silence

0:22:52.452,0:22:56.722
is the silence in your own heart when you're meditating when you're quiet.

0:22:57.747,0:23:00.741
Yeah? And if you have experienced that

0:23:02.241,0:23:08.171
then you realize that this space inside is what we all share.

0:23:09.355,0:23:13.802
That is the same in each and every one of us. There's no difference between

0:23:13.892,0:23:14.960
(chuckles)

0:23:15.227,0:23:18.970
my silence and your silence. How can there be?

0:23:19.633,0:23:24.681
It's the same. It's exactly the same and once you know that sameness,

0:23:25.571,0:23:31.810
then all the differences disappear and all the boundaries disappear in between people.

0:23:31.911,0:23:38.851
And this is why I like Reiki so much because when you're giving treatments or receiving treatments,

0:23:39.084,0:23:45.972
that's exactly what happens, the boundaries between people just vanishes. Yeah?

0:23:46.171,0:23:52.935
When you touch somebody after maybe 10-15 minutes you don't even know anymore what is your hand and what is the ...

0:23:53.709,0:23:59.543
the body of the other, because you have melted, your energy bodies are so close together,

0:24:00.000,0:24:04.492
you have melted and mingled together and you disappear. Beautiful, eh?

0:24:04.914,0:24:09.129
When you disappear into the other you realize that

0:24:10.754,0:24:12.084
there is no difference.

0:24:13.085,0:24:13.583
Yeah.

0:24:13.585,0:24:14.909
And things change.

0:24:15.888,0:24:17.305
It's ...

0:24:18.290,0:24:25.451
I did a little bit of reading up on you, of course, in preparation for this conversation and I went to your website.

0:24:26.514,0:24:30.921
I learned there why 'Fire Reiki' is called - your first ...

0:24:33.664,0:24:42.202
game-changing and historic, very important for the Reiki community and for the development of Reiki as a whole -

0:24:42.781,0:24:46.408
why you called that book 'Fire Reiki'.

0:24:47.432,0:24:50.822
It has exactly to do with what you just said, hasn't it?

0:24:52.061,0:24:55.219
Yeah, that's how I ... experience it.

0:24:55.762,0:25:00.243
It burns down all the separation all the singularity ...

0:25:00.454,0:25:01.082
...

0:25:02.067,0:25:08.018
not singularity. Duality! And makes it all just one.

0:25:08.319,0:25:09.508
Yeah, beautiful, eh?

0:25:09.541,0:25:11.496
And also it burns down ...

0:25:13.011,0:25:18.482
what we talked about earlier the psycho-emotional entanglements.

0:25:19.531,0:25:24.923
But we need to practice awareness.

0:25:25.536,0:25:30.671
This is one of the things that I always say to my students when you give treatments,

0:25:31.425,0:25:35.386
be as acutely aware as possible!

0:25:36.134,0:25:37.584
you hear everything,

0:25:38.652,0:25:41.670
you see everything that is happening in this moment,

0:25:42.520,0:25:44.779
you sense everything. Yeah?

0:25:45.342,0:25:49.678
All the senses are on full alert not concentrated

0:25:50.341,0:25:51.703
just present.

0:25:52.618,0:25:58.654
Because this is what we've got. We've got the birds singing outside. We've got the truck going by.

0:25:59.291,0:26:06.396
We got the feeling in the body, the temperature, everything that is happening in this moment.

0:26:06.788,0:26:10.731
When you become aware of everything that's happening,

0:26:11.575,0:26:13.761
your own breath coming in and out,

0:26:14.424,0:26:17.974
then (!), the transformation is there.

0:26:20.000,0:26:25.421
Great Arjava, we've covered quite a bit of distance already in this conversation.

0:26:25.550,0:26:28.680
I have a few more thoughts and topics.

0:26:30.127,0:26:32.138
They won't have space here and now.

0:26:32.439,0:26:36.189
So, I need to speak to you again sometime in the future.

0:26:37.003,0:26:44.090
Not necessarily still this year but finally ... you know, in our last conversation

0:26:45.270,0:26:46.253
we ...

0:26:47.911,0:26:51.001
stumbled ... or I stumbled across something

0:26:51.585,0:26:55.326
because you mentioned corona also as a chance.

0:26:55.567,0:27:03.426
I stumbled on the commonality between Corona and chance and that's the 'c' at the beginning.

0:27:03.878,0:27:06.141
So, that's the note I made for myself

0:27:06.800,0:27:08.938
in our conversation last time

0:27:09.149,0:27:12.279
and I would like the little bit of time which we still have

0:27:12.701,0:27:18.922
to talk to you a little bit about this particular chance in today's time if that is okay with you?

0:27:20.000,0:27:21.160
Yeah, wonderful.

0:27:21.642,0:27:24.962
So, basically you know, I ...

0:27:26.412,0:27:33.690
I’m a reflective kind of person. So, whatever happens in my life I look at it and I ...

0:27:35.121,0:27:40.321
ask myself what can I learn from this situation instead of struggling with

0:27:40.880,0:27:46.234
what's happening and saying, no I don't want this, no I want it to be different.

0:27:46.236,0:27:52.284
I prefer to just look at, okay, listen we are here

0:27:52.706,0:27:56.816
and we are here on earth to learn otherwise we wouldn't be here.

0:27:57.737,0:28:04.670
So, might as well learn something from the situation. And one of the things that I noticed very quickly,

0:28:04.821,0:28:07.371
and that started actually before Corona,

0:28:08.095,0:28:09.159
is that ...

0:28:10.000,0:28:15.970
all that is under the surface in the unconscious seems to
be coming out

0:28:17.266,0:28:20.141
collectively more intensely.

0:28:21.076,0:28:26.056
It started with the political situation in the U.S. that was very obvious

0:28:26.599,0:28:28.724
dividing the people into

0:28:30.000,0:28:31.652
this group and that group.

0:28:32.010,0:28:37.661
It was coming out with the vengeance. And with Corona it's the same. The Corona brings out

0:28:38.595,0:28:41.559
all the things that are under the surface,

0:28:41.800,0:28:47.596
brings them out on the table, so we can look at them. So, if you're afraid it will bring out your fear.

0:28:48.627,0:28:55.197
If you are angry will bring out your anger. If your discontent with the government will bring out that.

0:28:55.534,0:28:58.615
If you have a problem with your wife there you go.

0:28:59.171,0:29:02.388
Yeah? It brings everything out. For that it's great.

0:29:03.308,0:29:08.304
Plus: now we have the time, or many of us have the time,

0:29:09.118,0:29:12.017
to actually do something about that and to look at it.

0:29:13.046,0:29:18.439
So, the first thing is we are here to learn, so, might as well.

0:29:18.921,0:29:20.855
(garbled)

0:29:21.631,0:29:29.043
And now look, whatever there is in the subconscious that needs to be

0:29:30.000,0:29:34.315
understood, needs to be digested, when it' needs to be integrated,

0:29:35.099,0:29:39.288
will come out whether it's "good" in coordination quotation marks

0:29:39.439,0:29:42.627
or bad. So, if it's fear it will come out.

0:29:43.170,0:29:48.120
But also if it's unethical it will come out, too. And everybody

0:29:49.085,0:29:53.788
including you and me and all of our listeners

0:29:53.939,0:29:56.774
we will somehow try to

0:29:57.981,0:30:00.175
turn this into an advantage ...

0:30:00.808,0:30:02.367
for us. This situation.

0:30:02.500,0:30:03.435
(laughs)

0:30:03.535,0:30:08.849
That can be in many ways. It could be financial, it could be

0:30:09.532,0:30:14.247
whatever, yeah? On any on any level. So, Corona is a chance!

0:30:15.035,0:30:18.852
I have lots of time. I usually don't.

0:30:19.284,0:30:25.411
I usually travel maybe six months out of the year. So, now I’ve got lots of time that I can deal with

0:30:26.458,0:30:32.502
things that I haven't been able to deal with until now, maybe some habits that I can

0:30:33.231,0:30:36.853
work on, patterns that I can work on,

0:30:37.185,0:30:40.672
personal stuff that I can work on. It's wonderful.

0:30:41.120,0:30:46.954
And I of course know that you're also writing on a book. Would you like to say a word or two

0:30:47.012,0:30:54.472
or is that the bad omen speaking about a work of art which hasn't been released yet?

0:30:55.201,0:30:59.672
(laughs bashfully)

0:31:01.621,0:31:02.454
This is a funny ...

0:31:02.456,0:31:04.194
(René interrupts:) Sorry, sorry.

0:31:04.196,0:31:07.611
No, no, this is a funny situation, yeah. So ...

0:31:09.261,0:31:14.642
The whole publishing story has changed a lot over the past few years. So,

0:31:15.592,0:31:18.510
if you had asked me the same question 15 years ago

0:31:19.077,0:31:24.713
I would say, I’m not going to tell you the title of the book and I’m not going to tell you anything about it

0:31:25.648,0:31:30.277
until it's published. Now is different because now

0:31:31.923,0:31:34.372
everybody can publish things quickly

0:31:34.993,0:31:41.205
over the internet themselves and now I’m in that same situation. So, I just wrote a book.

0:31:42.079,0:31:49.406
It will have the title: three dots and then 'is' and then three dots (...is...).

0:31:49.617,0:31:53.274
It's all about being in the present living in the present.

0:31:53.726,0:32:00.348
And the word Reiki appears, I think, for the first time on page 154 or something

0:32:01.041,0:32:03.975
and only once. So it's not about Reiki,

0:32:04.488,0:32:10.454
it's about leading a happy content life and being present, being in the moment.

0:32:11.188,0:32:18.828
So that's my latest project and I think we will have it available next week.

0:32:19.521,0:32:21.639
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

0:32:21.940,0:32:27.952
Unfortunately it will take me many weeks until we release this.

0:32:28.826,0:32:32.951
But by the time our viewers are seeing this

0:32:33.184,0:32:38.905
maybe the book will be already available on the market and we will include it in the description.

0:32:39.334,0:32:47.729
We're coming to an end, Arjava. We touched ... we used the metaphor of a knot

0:32:48.922,0:32:54.305
for our conversation. We spoke about, for example, the illusion of separateness

0:32:54.717,0:32:59.859
And one other illusion which fascinated me and continues to fascinate me is

0:33:00.245,0:33:03.029
how often we humans think

0:33:03.210,0:33:08.697
that problems are really unsolvable and big and difficult

0:33:09.059,0:33:12.939
when sometimes it's actually very easy.

0:33:13.301,0:33:19.845
And one easy way of solving many, many problems is what we're doing right now talk to each other.

0:33:21.231,0:33:24.569
I learned a little bit of Crochet from my wife yesterday

0:33:25.082,0:33:31.378
and to unravel a Crochet is the simplest thing! (I hope this works now.)

0:33:31.740,0:33:33.672
You just pull it

0:33:36.271,0:33:39.549
and you will end up unravelled.

0:33:39.760,0:33:44.894
So, maybe solutions are easier than we think.

0:33:45.467,0:33:50.922
Thank you very much, Arjava. I’m going to say to my good-bye to my viewers.

0:33:51.163,0:33:55.155
And I would like you to wait for a moment still.

0:33:55.802,0:33:57.181
Thank you very much, Arjava.

0:33:59.311,0:34:00.039
Thank you.

0:34:01.256,0:34:02.136
Bye-bye.

0:34:03.107,0:34:05.843
So, dear viewers I thank you for watching.

0:34:06.378,0:34:10.443
I hope you will join us again in three weeks’ time. Please subscribe.

0:34:10.775,0:34:12.363
And thank you.

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