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Welcome to RTalk. Today is the 13th of January, 2022,
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a note which may become important later on.
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Our topic today is 'Anarchy'.
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My guests are Svetlana Ushakova from Almaty, Kazakhstan
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and I have Iryna Ostapyuk in Italy helping us with the translation.
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Welcome ladies, welcome, welcome.
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Thank you for being here.
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Hello, René. Thank you.
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Hello, René.
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How do you feel, Svetlana, right now?
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Svetlana, how are you feeling now?
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I feel like I'm on the cusp of something new.
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I feel as though I'm on the threshold of something new.
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Yes, I have a similar feeling.
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And it has nothing to do with the fact that it's the beginning of the year.
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I think that's just an additional symbolism.
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Yeah, I have a very similar feeling, and it's not connected with the beginning of the year.
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I think it has to do with some other factor.
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So, allow me to introduce the two of you, please, to my audience.
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I would now like to introduce you to my audience.
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Let me start with Svetlana, who is a Reiki teacher since 2006.
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She is or was a teacher of physics.
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She has studied psychology.
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She is a transformational game facilitator - whatever that is, maybe we find out.
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She has what she sometimes refers to as her own 'club'.
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I think we will hear more about this.
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I met Svetlana in a working group where, long before COVID, for two and a half years,
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about 40 and more people met once a month
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over two and a half years in serious reflection.
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It was also in connection with Phyllis Lei Furumoto, who since then has passed away.
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And indeed, that leads me also to you, Iryna, because it was the interview I made with Phyllis,
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which was like 14 hours of material, which you took the initiative to have translated into Russian.
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I am mentioning this, dear viewers, because you will see below many translations of this RTalk.
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And, I can tell you that I was greatly inspired by the work Iryna has done these many years ago
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for the historic archive of the videos, interviews with Phyllis,
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where she organized what she called an 'RCircle'.
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And I never was quite sure whether the 'R' stood for Reiki, for reconciliation or for Russian.
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This circle, to some extent, is still alive today
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and as I said, it has greatly inspired me to build the bridges between the languages,
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which is very much a calling, I believe, of Iryna 's.
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In her biography, I learned the word 'philology'.
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That's a friend (philos) of “logos”, of the “word”, of languages.
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So, she is a multilingual interpreter and also since 2016 a Reiki master.
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Now, Svetlana, I know you didn't quite understand everything I said,
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but still, I'm going to ask you, are you happy with my introduction?
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Svetlana, I know you probably understood very little of what I said,
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but I still want to ask you if you're happy with my introduction.
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I actually understand more than you might think. And yes, I'm very satisfied. Thank you, René.
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To tell the truth, I understand more than it can seem.
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So, yes, I'm happy about your introduction. Thank you.
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I suspected that you understood more than ... (laughter)
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I suspected that you understood, you understand more than it seems.
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And you, Iryna, I hope you feel recognized also in the work you have done in the past,
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and I hope you feel my gratitude for being here and helping me in this RTalk.
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Yes, sure.
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Thank you, René.
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As I said, it's the 13th of January.
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Most of us have heard in the news, in Svetlana's home country, in Kazakhstan,
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that there have been many challenges.
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And similarly, this is true in other parts of the world.
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And the history of our RTalk is actually interesting how we got to speak about this topic at this time,
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because, dear viewers, the two ladies and I have had the recording half a year ago on a different subject.
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And for a technical reason, we couldn't release it.
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And now here we are with this highly acute topic,
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which we described as 'anarchy' when a week ago we sat together.
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Can I translate, René?
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Yes, please do.
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As I was saying, today is January 13, 2022, and in Svetlana's home country,
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there have been some difficult events. In other countries difficult events are taking place, too.
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And the history of our RTalks shows how interestingly
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events and topics come together. We've already tried - we did one video recording
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six months ago but, unfortunately, for technical reasons, we couldn't release it.
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I think the topic of anarchy is an important one at the best of times,
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but it feels to me, it was never more important than now.
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And I thank you for giving me the opportunity and I applaud,
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I applaud your courage to be here to talk about this.
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I think the subject of anarchy is always very relevant,
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but at this moment even more so than usual. And I admire you
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and the fact that you're willing to talk about this subject today.
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And of course, anarchy is often associated negatively.
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It is loaded with many bad pictures of terrorism and things like that.
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And that, of course, is not what we intend or certainly I don't intend to talk about or advocate.
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And of course, anarchy is associated with
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negative connotations, which we also associate with images of terrorism
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and so on, but that's not where we... what we will be discussing today.
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At least I will definitely be discussing another aspect of this topic.
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So let's talk first about what we mean with anarchism.
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Svetlana, I'd like to give you an opportunity to
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speak a little bit about what you understand with the word “anarchy”.
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Let's just talk a little bit about what we mean by the word “anarchy”.
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I'd like to give the word to Svetlana so she can give her opinion and how she understands
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this concept and this word.
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Thank you Rene.
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Actually this topic was unexpected but very relevant and for me it is connected with…
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to me as an astrologer, with the qualities of Uranus and...
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with the word ‘archē’ itself, as it
translates from the Greek language.
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Thank you, René.
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It was very unusual for me to choose this topic.
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And for me as an astrologer, it is connected to the planet of Uranus
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and to the word of 'archē', which I will speak about now.
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To me, the astrologer, anarchy is connected with deviation from the conventional,
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with freedom and opening up of wider perspectives.
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Astrologically, I see this energy as opening of something new and ... going into new space.
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Svetlana, can you repeat please - I missed a little of the first part... I mean you mentioned the three aspects.
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Yes, deviation from the conventional, freedom
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and opening into wider space.
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OK, so three parts of it:
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It's going out of something which is known, freedom and opening new space.
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And if you translate the word "archē" from Greek, my understanding lies not with
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an organisation as such, like a state or various systems,
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I understand it more as... freedom from repression, from something imposed, from violence.
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And if to speak about the words 'archē' and its meaning,
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I see it as freedom from suppression, from being told what to do.
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Yes, as freedom from control from the above.
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It's like freedom from being governed from up.
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And following the natural order of things, of life, of naturalness.
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And being... following the natural way of things.
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That's very interesting.
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The leaving behind and going into a new freedom, to use your word,
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I think that a lot of people are scared of the idea of moving into something new
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for which they have no definition.
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Often we talk about leaving behind an old paradigm which we know doesn't work
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- we can see it from the environment and many things -
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but we don't know yet how the new time will look, the new paradigm we don't have a definition.
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It's an adventure, an unknown and almost as a reflex people tend to hold onto that which they know,
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never mind that they also know that it is actually not healthy, not good for them.
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Is that in accordance - what I said - with what Svetlana explained? Or is it contradictory?
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And speaking of the word freedom that you used,
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often people are afraid of this shift from the old paradigm to the new one,
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even if they realise that the old paradigm is not useful, they… just like a reflex,
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they just cling to it because going into something new seems very scary.
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How do you feel, does it fit in with what you said?
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Yes, of course.
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And I sense here, I see here a paradox between the human aspirations,
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the special quality of every human to go beyond the mundane,
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to go on an adventure, beyond all that is known, but equally
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the fear of getting there and this sense of risk that can stop you.
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Yes, it is really connected because I see it as a human quality to go in an adventure
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and to go in something new and open the horizons.
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But at the same time, feel the risk and fear which can sometimes stop us from the adventure.
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Oh, I'm so happy you're saying this.
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And actually, I get goose bumps when you say this: the confidence of humanity being able to reinvent itself,
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to go forward, to cope with change and us remembering
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that as an evolving species, we've done this so often.
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I'm so happy you said that.
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I even got a chill through my skin, because that confidence of a human being
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that he can re-invent himself and go into something new,
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because, really, our humanity has done it so many times.
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You know, the word 'anarchy' is very often related to chaos,
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and people are afraid of chaos because we have a longing for order rather than chaos.
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How do we cope, we humanity, how do you currently in Kazakhstan cope
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with the threat of disorder of almost a chaotic state?
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Can you say a little bit something about this, please, Svetlana?
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The word anarchy, it's also related to the word chaos, and chaos… we humans want to have order,
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so chaos is not always perceived positively, but I would like to ask you,
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what's the situation right now with Kazakhstan, how are people feeling
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in this situation and are they looking for this order?
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Thank you for the question, because
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we're here now… I've been observing this chaos, and order on many levels,
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very many forms of this order.
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Thank you for the question.
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Because during this period in Kazakhstan, I was observing chaos and order
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in different, different ways and forms.
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In different levels of order.
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From the lowest form of disorder - rallies, riots -, to the highest form of order,
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to a form where there is self-regulation, self-government.
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From the lowest part of dis-order, which are rebellions and different meetings
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like confrontations and so on to the highest way of order, which is self-organization.
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It was a great joy to see people organize themselves into communities in order to
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maintain social order and how they took care of each other, how they manifested
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reciprocity in sharing and supporting those who needed support.
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It was such a happiness for me to observe how people were coming together in communities
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in the way to help and support others,
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and how this willingness to support was growing among people.
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For example, people were distributing the money from the ATMs,
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to leave enough for everyone in the queue,
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so they were thinking of each other, not taking all just for themselves.
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For example, people were organizing and distributing an amount of money in the cash bancomat
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so that there was enough for all.
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So if there was a queue, not the person who was in front of the cash machine was not
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taking all the money but was thinking about others
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so that others could also have enough amount of money for them.
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And at the same time there was freedom in thinking. Everyone, I mean many were able to think
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independently and not fall prey to... some ideas that were forced onto them.
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I also observed the freedom of thinking.
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A lot of people were able to think in the way so that they were not caught in some schemes or impositions.
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You know, the word chaos is often related to crises.
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And ... just as a side note, in Chinese symbols, the word crisis
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includes the element of danger, but also the element of opportunity.
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The word chaos is closely related to the word crisis, and in Japanese
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crisis has, the word crisis has two such parts, which are danger, but also an opportunity.
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Let me look at the definition of “anarchy” with you please, as Wikipedia put it.
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They're starting - and this will connect to what Svetlana just said -
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By the way, what is that sound in the background?
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Is it with you Iryna?
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Yes, unfortunately, there are people who are repairing their house
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near mine ... Cannot do anything about that.
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This is life, and this is the spontaneity of our conversation.
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So the first sentence on Wikipedia is:
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"Anarchy is a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body." Please translate
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The first definition of "anarchy" in Wikipedia is that “anarchy" is a society that is created freely
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without authority or a governing body.
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Of course, this is - and I think Svetlana has used the word “paradox” earlier on -
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this includes some paradox because we have a longing and a need to organise ourselves in one way or the other.
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At the moment you have an organisation, the organisation is a governing body.
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Of course, it's a paradox, as Svetlana said, because we have the need to sort of be together,
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but then if we have a body that organises us, then it's also the organ that sort of stands above us.
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It continues by saying that "anarchy is a new political philosophy and social movement
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which advocates societies based on free and voluntary associations or institutions".
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And this now is very close to what I heard from Svetlana, isn't it?
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But there is another definition that anarchy is
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is a new political, a new philosophy, political philosophy and
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a social movement which promotes the types of communities based on freedom,
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free associations and volunteer associations, and that's probably closer
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to what Svetlana was saying, isn't it?
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Yes, I agree, I'm thinking about that right now,
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that there are two forms of power: power as repression, violence and power as an influence.
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When we're dealing with the first form of power, when there are repressions and position of privilege
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of one group of people over another, then...
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…well that could lead to this
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wild form of anarchy or something where freedom is also conquered by force, that is
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force against force.
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Yes, I think that there are at least two kinds of authority.
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I mean, authority as suppression and aggression.
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So, that kinds of rules are imposed and people, at that way,
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it seems that it brings to the form of wild anarchy,
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so that people tend to take their freedom with strength, with aggressiveness.
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... Actually
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Sorry, can I continue or did you want to say something, Svetlana?
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Sorry, am I going on, or do you have more to say about the second form?
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I want to say about the second part, about the absence of authority. When the power is by influence,
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then this means that ... authority remains, it's just that it is...
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not privileged. That is, if we remember that every person is unique
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and every person is valuable, then... well, everyone is an authority. Then
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we realise that we are influencing each other, and we can learn to perceive that influence
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in such a way that it can benefit us all.
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I wanted to talk about the second kind of authority, which is authority's influence.
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And in this way or in this form, I believe that we can ...
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there is as well authority, but it's not privileged.
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This authority is not unique.
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But if we think that each of us is unique,
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so each of us is of an authority.
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And in this way, we can be together and have these authorities but
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without imposition and learn one from another.
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Yeah.
0:26:11.089,0:26:18.170
And what Svetlana says has a reference to
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the natural, to nature actually, to almost like organic, biological, evolutionary growth.
0:26:30.562,0:26:39.358
I prefer the word unfolding to growth, because growth indicates small-big and unfolding is richer.
0:26:41.918,0:26:49.900
Yeah, that's what Svetlana said, that's like evolutionary development or growth,
0:26:49.966,0:26:54.750
but growth implies smaller and bigger, but the unfolding, development is what
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is more about the natural process,
that you just said a little bit about.
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Yes, I mean, the word diversity comes to mind.
0:27:06.960,0:27:24.112
I as well would put the word of ... differentiation and different ... colours.
0:27:25.612,0:27:30.584
I cannot find the right word, but this world of colours comes to me now.
0:27:31.213,0:27:35.097
Yeah, I like that metaphor to the spectrum ...
0:27:35.894,0:27:38.380
Now I have the word, it's 'variety'.
0:27:39.595,0:27:42.206
Variety, yeah, diversity, variety.
0:27:43.079,0:27:48.740
Let me just add the third sentence, which I noticed from Wikipedia,
0:27:49.302,0:27:57.013
because it will now get even closer to what Svetlana and I and you just said.
0:27:59.640,0:28:09.131
"These institutions, these new enterprises or associations generally are modelled on nature
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since they can represent concepts such as community
0:28:14.599,0:28:22.287
and economic self-reliance, interdependence and/or individualism."
0:28:23.024,0:28:24.848
Would you like to translate it?
0:28:25.407,0:28:36.000
And now also from Wikipedia, here's a sentence. "These associations, the new
0:28:36.001,0:28:45.000
formations are usually created in such a way that they can
0:28:45.066,0:28:54.298
represent the concept of a society that economically relies on itself,
0:28:54.789,0:28:57.200
which has a mutual...
0:28:59.612,0:29:03.200
interdependence, which means that they support each other or...
0:29:03.266,0:29:08.700
or they represent individualism,
0:29:08.766,0:29:10.299
individual communities.
0:29:14.255,0:29:16.210
How does this resonate, Svetlana?
0:29:17.719,0:29:19.400
How does that resonate with you, Svetlana?
0:29:24.204,0:29:34.164
What resonates with me is reciprocity, co-influence and interdependence, very much resonates with me.
0:29:35.906,0:29:41.672
I felt this response to the word interdependence.
0:29:42.767,0:29:48.000
When there is free cooperation,
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based on personal engagement, based on voluntary agreement,
0:29:54.700,0:29:56.483
and on personal responsibility.
0:29:57.852,0:30:06.814
When there is a free collaboration, which is based on responsibility and interest
0:30:07.993,0:30:16.092
and collaboration between those who are eager to take this responsibility on their own.
0:30:19.354,0:30:28.055
Then there's an opportunity to fearlessly express your uniqueness, your opinion and
0:30:28.700,0:30:35.730
to combine it into this new greater wholeness, to find shortcuts to results,
0:30:35.730,0:30:40.500
to be more efficient working together.
0:30:41.886,0:30:48.039
Then there is this possibility to show more your individuality.
0:30:49.223,0:30:55.855
And find those ways which are more effective to arrive to the final goal.
0:31:00.430,0:31:04.440
It allows the society to be enriched by the gifts of every person,
0:31:04.891,0:31:10.858
so that they don't get wasted, but so that they are invested into humanity, into the world.
0:31:11.329,0:31:18.568
And the whole community, the whole society, is enriched by this, because
0:31:19.010,0:31:25.009
such kind of collaborations are taking the best of each person, each talent
0:31:25.076,0:31:31.696
and enrich the bigger ... the third circle.
0:31:37.612,0:31:38.110
Yes.
0:31:38.112,0:31:42.290
Actually, we're coming towards an end. I still have a few topics,
0:31:43.197,0:31:47.509
but currently and I think what's in the air
0:31:47.767,0:31:54.269
- maybe because of the New Year or analogous with the New Year - is this change.
0:31:54.336,0:32:00.167
And I think there are many areas where people come to understand
0:32:00.497,0:32:05.449
that the structures of their organisations
0:32:05.963,0:32:16.074
- and with that I don't only mean corporations, governments, but I even mean structures within families,
0:32:17.240,0:32:24.610
structures within patriarchal structures and not least and maybe most important,
0:32:24.770,0:32:28.099
the structures within myself, within the individual person.
0:32:29.150,0:32:37.081
And right now, I think that a lot of opportunity is to deconstruct and surrender
0:32:37.537,0:32:43.279
to a flow of life with courage, with ...
0:32:44.150,0:32:51.410
and I wonder what characteristics or what capabilities we need for this process
0:32:51.476,0:32:53.450
- this is a question -
0:32:54.596,0:33:00.350
to endure the current limbo state of not knowing where we are going
0:33:01.930,0:33:04.460
and build bridges into a new future.
0:33:04.526,0:33:10.519
So, I hope I have not rambled too much for you, Iryna,
0:33:10.586,0:33:14.410
and there's one more thing I want to say, but I give you a chance to translate.
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If I forget a part (laughs), excuse me.
0:33:24.500,0:33:33.750
I'll translate what I remembered. Rene is saying that a lot of things are changing now.
0:33:33.751,0:33:37.500
So he's got this feeling, and it doesn't have anything to do with the New Year.
0:33:37.501,0:33:42.120
And there's a feeling that the old structures are disappearing and something new is yet
0:33:42.121,0:33:51.500
to come, and it's not just in the structures of business and government that we can see,
0:33:51.566,0:33:58.500
but also in the families and the internal structure. Respectively, René has this question:
0:33:58.566,0:34:03.090
what qualities do we need in order to enter the new?
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Can we somehow prepare ourselves, somehow to come into the new in a better...
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in some kind of a proper way or something?
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First, the question. What do you, both of you think, what is needed of humanity, of us as individuals
0:34:34.179,0:34:40.900
so that we can cope with this flux, with this changing situation?
0:34:41.900,0:34:45.750
And now a question for both of you, what do you think,
0:34:45.751,0:34:53.041
we need as humanity in order that - in this process of change -
0:34:54.097,0:34:55.835
we are more harmonious?
0:34:58.826,0:35:02.699
I think the most important thing is to learn how to live
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in the uncertainty of space.
0:35:07.065,0:35:13.010
I think that the most important quality is to learn
0:35:13.076,0:35:18.393
how to live in the state of unknown.
0:35:20.942,0:35:25.250
Well, for example, it could be an uncertainty
0:35:25.251,0:35:31.321
where we cannot control anything and we trust whatever is happening,
0:35:31.721,0:35:34.502
understanding that things will always turn out better.
0:35:35.192,0:35:36.600
For example ...
0:35:36.603,0:35:43.070
an example of unknown: if when we don't control anything, we cannot control
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and we take things as they go knowing that they go for the better.
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And instead of holding something back or influencing something, we would learn to respond immediately to what comes.
0:36:01.663,0:36:08.599
And instead of keeping something or trying to influence something,
0:36:09.070,0:36:12.731
we could learn how to respond to what is coming.
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That's what I call being more alive,
0:36:16.501,0:36:17.900
more present.
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I call it being more present and more alive.
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Open your eyes wider and see the reality
that really is.
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Open your eyes wider and see the reality as it is.
0:36:36.377,0:36:39.630
And understand that this reality is our life.
0:36:39.627,0:36:47.000
The world is very beautiful and that there's is no evil and there is nothing to be afraid of.
0:36:48.230,0:36:55.730
And this reality is very beautiful and the world is very beautiful and there is no evil
0:36:56.103,0:36:59.423
and you don't need to be afraid of anything.
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Then we could get away from standards, from the concept of a norm
0:37:10.743,0:37:18.783
Then we could step aside from the notion of norm, of standard.
0:37:20.406,0:37:25.400
And we would then embrace individuality.
0:37:26.480,0:37:31.039
And could embrace the individuality as it is.
0:37:32.471,0:37:36.283
We would stop being afraid of the fact that we are all different.
0:37:37.489,0:37:44.986
We... could... in this way we would stop being afraid of being diverse.
0:37:46.999,0:37:51.174
We would stop competing and forcing our opinions on others,
0:37:52.320,0:37:56.040
But we would stop being in contests one with another.
0:37:57.000,0:38:06.499
We would try to listen in and to deepen our understanding of what we hear from other people.
0:38:08.570,0:38:18.780
But we would try to listen more to people and deepen our understanding of what we are hearing.
0:38:24.906,0:38:34.599
So, what's important?
It's very important to me right now that we ...
0:38:35.900,0:38:38.711
go back to the word "brotherhood".
0:38:40.717,0:38:48.040
And for me now, it's very important to come back to the word of “brotherhood” ... or "sisterhood".
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Brotherhood and equality.
0:38:52.210,0:38:54.520
Brotherhood and equality.
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The understanding that we are all powerful, potentially abundant.
0:39:07.179,0:39:13.461
And it is the knowing that we are all powerful and potentially rich.
0:39:16.279,0:39:20.699
And if someone offers something, there is always a meaning in that and
0:39:20.766,0:39:26.679
it's worth making the effort, taking the time to see into that meaning.
0:39:27.260,0:39:31.750
And if somebody offers something, there is always a sense in it,
0:39:31.967,0:39:38.610
and we need to take a bit of our time just to see this sense.
0:39:39.330,0:39:41.529
Even if it's a child talking.
0:39:41.933,0:39:44.663
Even if it is said by a child.
0:39:46.431,0:39:49.199
So, self-governing,
0:39:49.266,0:39:52.554
self-observation, self-remembering
0:39:53.849,0:39:59.800
So self-government, self-remembrance ...
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self-regulation...
0:40:06.829,0:40:15.076
will allow us to gather in such circles where together we can look for some better solutions.
0:40:19.779,0:40:26.880
...will help us to come together in circles where we can find better solutions.
0:40:28.313,0:40:36.199
By letting people disagree and waiting patiently for them to come
0:40:36.200,0:40:38.099
to agreement on their own volition.
0:40:39.056,0:40:43.916
Letting people of not being in agreement
0:40:44.813,0:40:54.283
and just waiting to the moment when agreement comes to its place in volunteer way, on its own.
0:40:56.413,0:41:02.300
And I also strongly feel the importance of
being reciprocal or generous,
0:41:02.366,0:41:09.242
I mean... to remember that we are limitless, and
0:41:10.833,0:41:14.174
we can just give without expecting anything in return.
0:41:15.338,0:41:23.650
And it is for me, also, I feel, it is important to be generous and know that
0:41:23.648,0:41:33.095
we can always give without need to be given all the time.
0:41:34.702,0:41:41.123
And it will not make us "less", it will instead attract to us ever more energy and opportunities.
0:41:41.603,0:41:52.238
And we will not become less of something, in lack of something, but instead new opportunities will come to us.
0:41:52.990,0:41:55.500
And there's one more thing that's very important to me.
0:41:55.501,0:42:01.749
It's to appreciate, to be willing to value other person's work adequately and
0:42:01.750,0:42:06.900
to pay for it honourably, for what other people have done, to give thanks to them.
0:42:07.949,0:42:15.840
There is one thing which is very important for me: is being able to value the work of other person
0:42:15.906,0:42:22.700
and be ready to pay it with dignity and be thankful for this work.
0:42:25.942,0:42:31.500
But I think there' might be much more, however this is the very thing that came to my mind right now.
0:42:31.986,0:42:37.955
For sure there are a lot of other things, but these are those which came to my mind right now.
0:42:39.940,0:42:40.770
Well ...
0:42:43.313,0:42:46.802
yes, I agree with everything you said, Svetlana.
0:42:47.449,0:42:52.980
And to me, it boils down very much on ...
0:42:53.260,0:42:58.483
The conclusion of what you said boils down to working on oneself
0:42:58.796,0:43:08.170
and unfolding one's own consciousness, one's own capability of loving others
0:43:08.236,0:43:17.603
and oneself, learning to respond like you said and not react - it's a big difference.
0:43:18.519,0:43:27.449
So this is very true, but it also has a bit of a ring of biblical knowledge.
0:43:27.516,0:43:36.400
And I think that at the heart of hearts, people essentially know exactly what we
0:43:36.466,0:43:38.286
both have now agreed on.
0:43:38.800,0:43:42.909
So the question really remains what does that mean for a government?
0:43:42.976,0:43:47.320
What does that mean in the political situation in "corona"?
0:43:47.386,0:43:53.116
What does that mean in economic context if you're running a corporation?
0:43:53.453,0:43:58.021
What does that mean as a president of a Reiki association?
0:43:58.360,0:44:02.177
What does that mean as a member of a family?
0:44:02.793,0:44:10.424
And I think the practical translation from this rather general observation,
0:44:10.780,0:44:13.737
I suspect we will have to have another RTalk.
0:44:18.022,0:44:25.850
I very much agree with everything that you have said and it resonates with me,
0:44:25.851,0:44:33.300
as the need to work on your own awareness and opening yourself up,
0:44:33.366,0:44:40.000
but it seems to me that it's also in some ways something very biblical...
0:44:40.001,0:44:50.000
Like that which we all know, about how to be… be good, well…
0:44:50.001,0:44:57.423
what we already know, but the question remains as to how that should manifest itself practically,
0:44:57.869,0:45:06.990
for example, at the level of a state, at the level of an organization, at the level of a Reiki association,
0:45:06.986,0:45:15.800
at the level of a family. And if we take this kind of willingness to go through this all
0:45:15.866,0:45:19.800
then we'll definitely have another RTalk.
0:45:21.326,0:45:26.000
Yes, I agree, I agree.
0:45:26.400,0:45:32.699
I have two practical observations now during our events in Kazakhstan
0:45:33.751,0:45:34.860
I agree with you.
0:45:34.860,0:45:41.829
I have now two practical observations during this situation in Kazakhstan,
0:45:42.250,0:45:44.987
which we have had in this period.
0:45:47.330,0:45:50.188
The first observation was about safety -
0:45:51.250,0:45:54.557
The first one was about safety-ness.
0:45:55.029,0:46:01.099
That there is nothing physical, no special action, that can provide safety.
0:46:01.500,0:46:08.790
That nothing physical, no special actions can provide for safety-ness.
0:46:09.688,0:46:12.390
Fences, locks, video cameras,
0:46:12.388,0:46:15.344
controls ... don't give you safety.
0:46:15.778,0:46:21.230
Fences, video cameras, locks ...
0:46:21.909,0:46:24.220
they are not providing for safety-ness.
0:46:25.623,0:46:32.750
But balance, inner peace, absence of aggression provide, give safety.
0:46:33.056,0:46:43.616
But balance and inner calmness and inner way of ... being safe inside.
0:46:44.070,0:46:48.501
This is what makes you feel safe...and be safe as well.
0:46:49.330,0:46:54.750
And I felt that this large number of people in our city
0:46:54.751,0:47:02.099
in Almaty that were at peace, were not panicking, and just did what
0:47:02.166,0:47:09.000
was necessary - that helped to quickly resolve the situation.
0:47:10.000,0:47:18.110
And I feel that there were a number of people who were really calm and were doing what was needed.
0:47:18.393,0:47:26.045
And I feel that this is why maybe this situation ceased so fast.
0:47:28.681,0:47:33.250
And there's one more observation. It is about
0:47:33.251,0:47:37.018
where you find yourself whilst something is happening.
0:47:37.554,0:47:43.014
And the second observation is about where you are during the happening.
0:47:44.377,0:47:49.130
When you're right in the middle of it, there's no fear
0:47:49.127,0:47:56.500
and no worry, because you know what's going on and you respond to it and you act
0:47:57.434,0:48:05.140
When you are in the centre of the situation, the happening, there is no fear and there is no worry
0:48:05.144,0:48:11.801
because you know what is happening and you just respond to what is around.
0:48:12.753,0:48:21.754
And then the part of crisis that is danger comes up less, and there is more of the second part where opportunities open up.
0:48:22.000,0:48:26.360
And then there's less danger, but more opportunities.
0:48:28.030,0:48:33.500
So those involved in crises and conflicts know that it's all good,
0:48:33.501,0:48:38.636
that they take us to the next level and unlock our potential.
0:48:39.241,0:48:43.300
So participants of crises and conflicts they do know
0:48:43.535,0:48:48.026
that it is good and it is opening our potential.
0:48:49.110,0:48:55.000
It's a different situation with those who were away.
They had a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear,
0:48:55.001,0:48:57.599
because they did not know what was really
going on.
0:48:58.043,0:49:04.989
And those who were far from the centre of happening, they were really worried and
0:49:05.056,0:49:10.000
they had a lot of fears because they were not knowing what was happening.
0:49:10.754,0:49:16.918
Their mind, their imagination were painting lots of scary and horrifying pictures.
0:49:17.436,0:49:27.141
Mind and imagination, was just depicting very unpleasant images. Yeah, so…
0:49:27.754,0:49:31.990
From this I draw a practical conclusion that one must jump into this river
0:49:31.986,0:49:35.500
and swim with it. I mean you have to take part in the events
0:49:35.501,0:49:41.264
and then we will evolve, rather than watch from the side lines.
0:49:42.393,0:49:49.780
So in this way, I can assume practically that we need to go in the centre of unknown.
0:49:49.846,0:49:57.770
We need to just to go there and don't think about staying aside.
0:49:58.960,0:50:05.000
That's the same thing I observed about COVID, that if you're sick, you understand that it's not so scary
0:50:05.000,0:50:10.283
but if you're afraid and you're hiding from this disease then it gets much scarier.
0:50:10.472,0:50:14.120
We've had some people go and get sick on purpose,
0:50:14.121,0:50:17.083
just to get over it and move on.
0:50:17.848,0:50:26.170
The same I notice about COVID that if you are sick on COVID, it's not so ...
0:50:27.311,0:50:33.315
you are not so afraid anymore as those who are just trying to be aside.
0:50:34.208,0:50:40.700
I've seen some people who I know who just were seeking to get sick so that they
0:50:40.699,0:50:42.628
will not think anymore about that.
0:50:44.836,0:50:50.500
Just living life to the fullest, just experiencing everything that comes, gaining strength,
0:50:50.925,0:50:57.199
finding out how powerful we are and rejoicing, how beautiful life here is.
0:50:58.362,0:51:00.913
Just live what comes.
0:51:01.079,0:51:07.001
And find our strength in it gaining ...
0:51:07.963,0:51:12.503
the understanding of the beauty of this world in which we live.
0:51:17.764,0:51:18.844
Thank you very much.
0:51:20.793,0:51:22.239
I accept these truisms.
0:51:22.306,0:51:31.320
And as I said, the practical translation, how to restructure, how to reform,
0:51:31.791,0:51:35.840
how to recuperate and how to build bridges into the new paradigm,
0:51:36.123,0:51:42.677
I hope I will have you as guest in one of my future RTalks to talk about those things also.
0:51:43.840,0:51:48.030
Thank you. I'm very happy about our conversation and also
0:51:48.030,0:51:54.099
about the practical translation on how you can
build bridges and rebuild,
0:51:54.166,0:51:57.125
reform some things.
0:51:57.126,0:52:00.783
Maybe we'll have some more RTalk on this topic.
0:52:03.226,0:52:05.773
Svetlana, we started out ...
0:52:06.291,0:52:11.880
I should speak for myself. I was a little nervous with the hot potato of anarchy.
0:52:12.599,0:52:16.487
I don't feel nervous at all. I feel very good now. How do you feel?
0:52:17.660,0:52:24.410
Svetlana, when we started, I was a little bit, kind of nervous.
0:52:24.410,0:52:29.647
about how anarchy is such a hot topic but I am no more feeling that.
0:52:29.651,0:52:31.260
How do you feel?
0:52:32.726,0:52:36.900
I'm feeling really good because this topic has allowed me
0:52:36.966,0:52:42.750
to review my whole life and to realise that I have actually been
0:52:42.751,0:52:46.418
in touch with anarchy since childhood,
0:52:47.413,0:52:56.260
I feel very good. And this topic somehow helped me to have a broad view on all of my life
0:52:56.263,0:53:03.493
and all my life and see that I was connected to the topic of anarchy starting from my early childhood.
0:53:04.660,0:53:07.800
But for a long time, perhaps like many people, I avoided
0:53:07.801,0:53:11.088
this word because I had a very narrow understanding of it.
0:53:11.665,0:53:16.525
But for long period I was trying not to use this word
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because I had the narrow understanding of it.
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Yes, now my understanding is much deeper and also differently.
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Now I understand it in a more profound way and in a different way.
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Thank you very much, and I hope that particularly what you contributed, Svetlana
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will encourage viewers of this video to engage in what you and I and Iryna tried to describe with 'anarchy',
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more and more frequently and with more and more courage and confidence.
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Thank you Svetlana. I hope that even those who will be watching us, they will be able to
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get involved in this process that we described as anarchy, and get into it more often.
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Yes, and my hope is that we as human beings can let go of control,
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and trust more in both life and ourselves.
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And I hope that we as human species can let go control and be of more ... trust to our self.
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Surrender in trust, yes.
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Thank you very much, Svetlana.
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But I want to also give Iryna a chance.
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You have hardly had an opportunity to express any of your views.
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So let me give the final question to you, Iryna.
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How do you feel right now and how...
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what are your brief reflections on the hour we spent together?
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I feel very nice.
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I feel a bridge. (Chuckles).
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And I like this feeling.
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Speaking about the topic, which we were discussing, I like most of what you told
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and I am really... feel connected to this kind of passage but
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I also know my part of being attached somehow to the things which I know how they work,
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so the need for stableness and there is no stableness at all in this world.
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And...
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I believe it is very important to have sometimes ...
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sometimes fast reaction.
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I mean, just opportunity to be very flexible and fast decisions.
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It's something which is not very easy for me, but I'm working on.
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And maybe it's my opportunity in the period of change.
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Thank you.
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It was a pleasure.
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I thank you. I want you to quickly translate to Svetlana what you just said.
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René said that I hardly had an opportunity to take part and in the end he wanted to ask me
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how I was feeling. I said I was fine, felt like a bridge
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I relate to a lot of the things which were said about change but I also
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I find, I find a part of me that wants stability and wants that kind of
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not quite ... to stay rooted but it doesn't really like change, so it's in that period,
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in a period like this, I think it's important to have the ability to react quickly and quickly
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to make decisions and that's one of my goals at the moment.
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So thank you, Iryna, because this is important... to remember that we still
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- with all the willingness to venture into 'anarchy' -
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we still need to nurture our own needs and to respect that there are people out there
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who still need order, who still need structures, and we need to find a way to find a consensus
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and resolve that paradox which we have been discussing today.
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That's an important point because, in fact there's actually quite a large
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number of people who need structure and who have a
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need of order, so all the things we have said have something to do with them,
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and it's all a paradox.
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I think anarchy is not against laws and the system.
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It's in favour of a natural unified kind of law at the level of paradigm,
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but with the understanding that, on the physical plane, there are many different forms.
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I think that anarchy is not about leaving the structure,
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but it's about natural structure giving diversity to different forms.
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I agree.
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And like I said, the practical translation we will discuss in future.
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And the practical … translation, we will talk about it in the future.
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So thank you very much Svetlana in Kazakhstan.
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Thank you very much, Iryna in Italy.
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And bye-bye to you.
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Now, I've been ... making so many mistakes.
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I've been putting myself in the picture so often when I didn't want to
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and now I wanted and I still clicked the wrong button. Here I am.
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I want to say goodbye to you, my dear viewers.
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I hope you enjoyed it.
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Thank you for being patient a little longer than usual, twice as long, but
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the topic for one merited it.
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And then also… and then also the translation, of course.
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So, bye-bye for now.
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English subtitles by: Yuliya Sasina-Yates
