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Welcome to RTalk.
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My guest is Gauthier Papp in Paris.
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Our topic is 'Reality'.
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Now, I think that should be cause to have agreements to disagree.
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Enjoy.
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Gauthier, welcome.
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Hello.
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Hi, René.
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Happy to see you.
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I am very happy to see you.
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Dear viewers, I have met Gauthier only, what, two or three weeks ago,
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the first time we briefly talked on a different matter?
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And then I thought, this is so exciting, speaking to a young gentleman.
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We found some kind of kindredness, likeness of the minds.
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I thought I'd like to explore that on the topic of reality.
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But why do it in private?
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So I'm looking forward to our conversation, Gauthier.
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How do you feel?
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Yeah, I'm very, very happy.
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And I'm happy to discover this,
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this experience you've built.
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Yeah.
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Excellent.
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Dear viewers, let me say a few words about Gauthier.
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He is a full time Reiki teacher and practitioner with his own and successful Reiki school in Paris.
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He is a true Parisian.
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He grew up there,
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you know, with such young age, to be a full time and successful Reiki teacher can be somewhat of a surprise to some of us.
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But then, it may be surprising to some of us.
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However, it is most certainly very confidence inspiring, at least for me,
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for the future to see such young generations committed to a cause like Gauthier is with his school.
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Before that, he had a ten year career in the music industry as a sound engineer.
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And actually, you know Gauthier, I just received ... just before this.
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Let's see whether this works.
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I received something which.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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(Rap music playing from René's phone.)
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Sounds good.
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Yeah.
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It may ...
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There we go.
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(Rap music continues.)
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Well, I'm afraid I can't show you.
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I'm not so savvy with the technology and with hip hop.
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But my son, Pablo, he was just in the studio for, like - yesterday evening -
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for like 6 hours or even more because he organized the hip hop one year -
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it's the biggest hip hop event in Switzerland, actually.
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It is in the radio studio.
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He is, of course, also involved in in the business you had your career in.
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And I know you're planning to relaunch your musical career, you said before we started?
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I am.
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I am right now.
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It's very, very exciting because first, when I was a sound engineer.
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First let me thank you for everything you said.
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I don't know if I'm "successful", as you said, but it's true, I live ... it's my only job, Reiki is my new job.
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I'll talk about music, but just I want to say thank you.
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You said a lot of things that make me feel a bit shy because
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I'm young, I'm young in Reiki and it's important to say that today we can easily practice and live only with Reiki,
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just as it can be our only job, because a lot of people, as you are and many Reiki teachers, Reiki researchers,
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you worked very well for at least 40 years and now we just have to read books and to ...
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we can teach easily and everybody knows Reiki.
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So, it's true and I'm young and that's my only job.
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But it's because of you and the people around.
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So, thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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This is very kind.
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You know, I think Niles Bohr said when he received his Nobel Prize in mathematics or physics,
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he said: "We're standing on the shoulders of those who have gone before us."
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Honoring that is a wonderful thing.
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Thank you for that.
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That's very kind of you.
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So equally like it's confidence inspiring for my generation to see younger generations coming,
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it's wonderful to see the gratitude and the respect you pay to the elder generation.
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I hadn't finished my introduction quite yet.
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I was about to say ...
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that when Gauthier finished his ... about ten years ago, I guess in mid-twenties, thereabouts,
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he started to take an interest in the metaphysical side of life,
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leaving the more rational side behind.
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And here we are.
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We are talking about reality today.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Actually, it's more like a reconnection because the question of reality,
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always was my first question since I'm young.
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Reiki is like an answer.
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Not an answer; there is no theory in Reiki, but this is like a tool.
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So I could - and maybe others, I guess I'm sure of that -
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We could more search the response to that question, to this important question, easily.
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But it's just like a tool. Or maybe we can call it a 'car'. So we can drive on this invincible concept.
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Reality is a very, very important question for me and I'm so happy to have this talk with you today.
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Yes.
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I think this is true for any person who is philosophically, spiritually interested in life.
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Sooner or later, we all are.
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The very latest stage is when we fall into a midlife crisis, classically mid-forties or thereabouts,
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when remember that there must be more to life than the reality of just going to work and so on.
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In that sense - and I think with the situation as it is in the world today, I keep repeating myself -
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it's confidence inspiring to see people on this path searching for answers - philosophical, spiritual answers,
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which include the answer to the question, what is the reality - already in relatively young age.
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So what would be your first answer to the question? What is reality to you?
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It's science.
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And.
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There is no there is no definition.
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I have like...
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It's like my spiritual master ... I consider him one of my master
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but we do not have this teacher and master relationship.
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It is a French guy called Eric Baret.
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I'm not sure you know him. Maybe you know him.
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He is very inspiring in saying: "We just can talk about what does not exist."
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I believe.
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I believe so.
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Reality is on the other side.
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I hear you.
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I hear you also that you're reciting your teacher.
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I'm not really interested in what your teacher says.
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And I'm not really interested in the kind of wisdoms which we can read in many books.
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But in your practical life ... I'm interested in you.
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In your practical life, the question about what is reality? How does it ...
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how does this question have an effect in your daily life?
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It does.
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It has an effect every time because there is no reality for me.
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I don't believe that what we think to know, what we see around us can be called 'reality' .
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We have five physical ways to experience the world.
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Feeling, touching sense, seeing, hearing (sniffs), I don't know this word in English and tasting.
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Our brain will classify, it will put a word, a meaning on every sensation but that is just belief.
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I believe that reality is truth for me.
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Truth. Truth in the physical meaning.
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Truth can be experienced but we can't express it.
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We can't put a word on truth, but we can ...
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It's like a point very far from us, like a star we follow because it gives us a direction.
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But what is true today will not be true tomorrow.
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You talk about the difference of age we have.
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I am younger than you are. But you were, you had my own age and we were teenagers.
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But the reality changed in any time.
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When I was a teenager. I hoped I will never go to be forty.
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There were the ... (laughs)
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But today, I'm so happy because I have a little bit more experience.
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I have some belief, you know, that helps me.
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I'm also a hypnotherapist.
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I know. You told me, don't think about the others, what the others say,
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but it's important for me to say that we rather believe in this,
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in this specialty, in hypnosis, when you practice hypnosis, you know that you are just, you just have believes.
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There is no ... there is bad belief that can injure yourself and the others.
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There is good belief, but this is never the truth.
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There is a difference between these. I believe that.
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Actually, when I was 16, I guess it's quite young,
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I just began to think and to ask myself some questions about life.
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And I said to myself, okay, if there is something I can see, where does it come from?
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It comes from in another experience.
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You know, this goes to the fact that there is a new cause for a new fact.
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I'm not sure my English is okay, but I guess you understand, you can follow it.
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So at this moment I thought, okay, so there is no free will.
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So it was a really hard question at this time, and I felt like I was in prison at 16.
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And then I realized that we can't fix things with our mental concept.
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And what I was happy to discover in Reiki that you can't do a theory, so you say this is real and this is not.
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It depends on the culture and the time we live in. But you can feel things.
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That will maybe ...
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say, okay, I'm on the good ... I am on the good road.
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I am following the good path, you know.
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And this feeling that we are on the good path means for me,
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that we are getting closer to something that can be called a reality.
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So, there is not definition for me, but there is a way to know if we are close or far from the what is real.
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I hear you.
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You didn't really answer my question which was dealing with the reality of your daily life.
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But fair enough.
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And I'm not ...
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It was the first question for the definition. I can ...
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No, no.
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Let me show you something I have prepared.
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When I did some research for our talk, those questions which you just brought up, they obviously pop up.
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So the question of, what is reality and the confrontation with reality,
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very quickly, when you look for an answer, you get to the topic of time.
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Generally, time is considered as a chronological accumulation of events on a time string.
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We started 13, 14 minutes ago our conversation
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and now we're 14 minutes into it and we have another 16 to go.
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So there is this ... like this linear idea.
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There is a Italian guy, his name is Carlo Rovelli.
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He is a theoretical physicist.
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...
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I saw a presentation online by him and he explains that time is actually really an illusion.
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Not just in the kind of sense which you described, which is more like a philosophical or a spiritual approach.
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He says, science looks at the fact that, for example, one of the four factors
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which influence the qualities of time, is the height.
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So the higher you are above sea level, the more time is available, the quicker time goes.
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So that's one of the factors.
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In his presentation, he presents four of these factors
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- I will put the link in the description later of this video -
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and he deconstructs our concept of a linear time entirely.
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And other ....
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other insights from a scientific point of view have indicated for a long time
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that the time-space paradigm has come to an end.
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We need to transcend that and re-orientate ourselves.
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So this guy is talking about this.
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He's really deconstructing all our beliefs, to use your word, about time.
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And towards the end of his presentation, he is starting to summarize
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and he's starting to make a link again to a new understanding of time.
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And at the end of the presentation, I took a clip which I want to show you.
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A solved strange question, deep questions.
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By analyzing that, we make a mistake.
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We make a mistake when we think that something is there
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when it is really in the relation between here and there.
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Think about one of the most beautiful shows in nature, which is the sky that turns around us, right?
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We see the sun going up and going down, the moon going up and going down.
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If you go out in a night, in a clear night, not in London,
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you see all the stars that move during the night.
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They make a piece of a circle during the night. In London you probably don't see any star, I don't know,
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but you just walk out in the countryside, you have this wonderful show.
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And then you ask, why is the universe turning around us?
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And we have understood!
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It has taken only 2000 years, but we have understood why the universe is turning around us.
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It isn't turning!
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We are turning.
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We sit on a rock and this rock happened to be spinning
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and that's why we see everything turning, because we are.
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Okay?
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So, I think that's pretty much in accordance with what you alluded to, isn't it?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know.
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Yeah. Very interesting.
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Thank you for sharing.
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He is giving a new belief now.
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And maybe will be the next paradigm.
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He's been explaining a new way to see how the world works and explaining what
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the previous did and the last, the previous point of view ...
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I enjoy ... understanding what he is explaining, what is ... it is very interesting with science
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that we can have technology, we can build technology with it, you know,
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with the scientific theory.
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And that's good, but ...
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This is a new explanation and explanation doesn't ...
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it can't ...
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We can verify it, but I'm not sure that he is giving us something more than we
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have of, you know, scientific explanation, because explanation is just to have a new look on the world.
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But what we will we do with this look? This is what matters to me?
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Well, I'm with you.
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But the reality which I just described, like the difference in time higher up, in daily life that has a consequence.
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Every time we use a navigational system, or when we switch on the TV, where we receive signals from a satellite,
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from further away, from higher up, where there is a faster time ...
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You know, when they first developed the GPS system, the American army,
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they didn't believe in the fact that there is more time higher up
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or that there is less time if there is movement at the same time,
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they didn't believe in all that and the navigational system did not work.
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So, this knowledge, the scientific knowledge is relative for the practical life.
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Now, I am with you, I think, that the question of exploring a new paradigm ...
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What if the time and space paradigm has come to an end? What's new?
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What's the next paradigm? Which is unanswered.
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But I believe that we are actually at the cutting point of having to address these questions in society on so many different levels.
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Be a political, be it economic, be it scientific and so on.
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And that is in a direct correlation with spiritual answers.
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So the exploration will give us practical answers, which feeds our spiritual advancement, or vice versa.
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It will give us an experiential insight, a wow, an aha-, an awe experience, which in turn stimulates us to relate in practical life.
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Are you with me?
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Yeah, completely, completely.
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Because it give us a new consciousness.
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We will change our consciousness, realize that there is something else that
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we never believe in, we never thought about it, but it exists.
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So we will go far, far from the point we are now.
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It will change our life.
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But, you know, you are talking about spirituality, what is very interesting for me
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that is that every tradition are in a sort of way talking about what we can see now in the world, you know, all this change.
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And also, what the scientific discovery is now.
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This theory you just showed me, I never heard about.
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But there is this common idea now in the scientific world and in the new age world we are in too, with Reiki.
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It is that our own thoughts will have an effect on the experience, you know.
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So, we are living in a great era today because with technology - and we can say thanks to technology,
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because we can have this share together, we would never think
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and have this occasion to share our point of views and maybe build a better idea with it, without the technology.
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So thanks to the scientific world, we have this, and in the other way we can see that
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we are at the hand of this world, the technological one, because there is nothing in the ground.
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We just take all the minerals we need to build this very long wire and this computer.
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We have to change this computer.
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Okay.
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So we know that.
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That's why I am thinking, okay, what can give it ... ?
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If we apply all of this new theory, scientific theory, will we have enough time, actually?
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Because in our world there is not enough material.
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...
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The things to build everything, every computer, every new technology with this new theory,
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we don't have enough on earth and the earth is dying.
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Let's say that honestly.
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So, what is interesting for me with this new understanding, scientific understanding
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and the old spiritual tradition that today is joining, is what we will do in our daily life, as you said,
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with this understanding and not only what we will, we will we be building a new technology so we can do new stuff.
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It's the very change inside of the human consciousness that, for me, will be something interesting,
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because in daily life we have to see all the things that we see today with all this theory.
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This will change the world.
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You know, I'm completely ... I'm a technology guy.
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I've got my smartphone and the headphones every day. I listen to music.
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In the last one, I'm like that. I was a sound engineer in the music industry, so I did not change.
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I'm happy with that.
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But ...
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I'm sure that all this technology give us comfort.
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You know, we feel comfortable, we are safe.
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We have the heating, it is warm enough, so we can think, we have time
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because we don't need to die just for heat as it was the case.
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There is just a few centuries, life was harder than today.
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So today, we have this space so we can change our point of view on the meaning of life and maybe go in other direction.
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What give us this, is technology. So we can say thanks to technology because of the scientific theory.
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But now technology, this obsession of, I mean ... it's finished. We know it.
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We don't want to think about it but we've just a few years living in the same way. So, we have to go back.
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But if we go back, if we think about the past just one century, it was very hard.
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Very hard, so nobody wants to go back.
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So, my personal thought about all of this is this.
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And new understanding about what is real.
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The things ... I don't remember the scientific man I'm very happy you'll put the link down on the video I will go and watch it.
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What he explains should change our life not just we'll be nicer and we drink more water and eat less animals?
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No! I guess there is a deep change, deeper chance that all of this technology,
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this ability to speak together, to have paper, enough paper to write many things because
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we buy it just in the store at the corner store,
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all of these things will allow ourselves to discover something more real than all this reality, you know,
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And with all of that I am are completely sure that we will go through like we can call it a 'door way'.
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I don't know exactly, you know.
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And we will discover what is real beside ...
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what is more real than this reality, this computer and the safety we will feel.
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I'm sure that this is the future.
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I don't think that just a new technology will be it.
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But this change of consciousness it can bring.
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I agree with you.
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The change of consciousness is existential for humanity.
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...
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If I understand from you a ...
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reversal to the past, I don't agree with you.
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I think there is no reversal to the past.
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And if I heard from you a degree of pessimism, I don't share that either.
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Now, I am not blind to the pitfalls of science, and I certainly don't advocate that science
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is the solution for a better world. Not at all.
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I think that science has an interesting take on our reflection what reality is.
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And that reflection is an existential ...
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spiritual ...
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mental, psychological, philosophical exercise for the expansion of consciousness.
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So ...
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I have prepared something else.
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We are running soon out of time.
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I mean, you and I are crazy to take 'reality' as a topic for 30 minutes.
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Okay, very interesting. Yeah.
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I want to add ... I will change ... I will not say anything.
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I will just show it to you.
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Have a look.
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Oh, well, beautiful.
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Beautiful.
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Is that reality?
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It made me feel like that. Yeah.
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You know, reality is like a dream, actually.
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Just a feeling.
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Something we can (sniffs).
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Yeah.
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This is real.
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Don't know why, but I feel it. Yeah, yeah.
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This kind of experience, of course.
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And for you, is this real?
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Yes.
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Yeah, very alive.
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Very wow.
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You know, I get goose ...
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goose bumps.
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I get emotional.
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I'm awed by the beauty when ...
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when the scene opened up and the music got faster,
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my heart beat.
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I mean that ...
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That's also reality, isn't it?
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This is the only reality I can ...
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I consider it just the only reality.
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It's a feeling for me, reality.
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What is real is what we can't explain.
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But we know, this is real.
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You know, there is something. Something we follow. We don't know we are following a goal, all of us.
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Not a theory called goal.
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Even our life proposes, it can be very mental stuff.
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But we don't know what we act everyday. We don't know why we act every day.
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But when we found this kind of feeling in life experience, we know that that was what we were looking for.
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This is reality for me.
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When you saw this ...
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I can play it without sound.
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When you saw it just a moment ago for the first time, what were your thoughts?
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What were your feelings? Tell me a little bit.
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Yeah.
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First, I wonder what it was.
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But ...
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you know, you do what I ask too many of my students and I hate to do it and it's hard to do it.
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And then I understand them now.
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You ask me to put words on feeling, but the good words can be ...
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I feel...
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It makes me dream.
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It's pure emotion, you know, pure emotion.
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I have a feeling of perfection.
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All the lights are beautiful.
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We can see that like the love is in the air.
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There is harmony.
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It's a feeling, you know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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These are very beautiful last words for the closing.
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I think you put it very nicely wat reality is.
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Gauthier, I thank you very much having joined me in Paris to talk about reality.
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Thank you, René. Thank you very much for inviting me.
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I'm very happy to share this moment with you.
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Thank you, too. And in the description, I will also give the information about the dance.
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I have given no explanations now during the conversation. That will be underneath.
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Thank you, Gauthier and bye-bye for now.
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Bye-bye. Thank you.
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