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Welcome RTalk, the place where we
agree to disagree if we disagree at all.
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Muniqui Muhammad is my guest today.
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Our topic is: 'Irritation'.
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Muniqui, hello. Welcome.
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Good greetings to you, René.
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Good afternoon to you.
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You're up somewhere north in Japan.
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Do you have snow yet?
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Actually today was the first day of snow in my city,
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but it's not major snow, just you know, enough
to get to notice that it is that time of the year.
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Good.
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I arrived at a conference here in the mountains
of Switzerland and it has been snowing
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- you might maybe get the impression through the window -
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for the last three days.
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And the ski lifts aren't open yet.
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So, I'm speculating that on the last day of the Congress here,
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they're going to open the ski lift.
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So, I took my ski boots along and who knows?
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It's Switzerland! It’s famous for the mountains
and snow and skiing and all that good stuff.
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But you're up very north in Japan,
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because sometimes people hear Japan and they
instantly think, you know, Yokohama or Tokyo.
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But you're in a smaller village, aren't you?
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Not a village.
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It's a major city.
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It's called Sendai.
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The easiest way to find it, find a map of Japan,
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put your finger right on Tokyo draw and
go straight up and you'll find Sendai.
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It's a big city, but it's has much ....
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it's much more cozier than Tokyo,
in my opinion, and I like it here.
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Very good.
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Let me quickly introduce you to
my guests who may not know you.
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Muniqui is in the northern Japan, as I said.
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He and his partner Lena Takahashi, they have a
Reiki center and it's called the 'Healing Land Reiki'.
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Muniqui grew up, the grandson of an assistant
minister in Islam, the son of a trainer of men.
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Already as a child, he found adult
conversation on topics such as
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'self-involvement' and 'building the will' more
interesting than playing with children his own age.
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He remembers thinking "children are too childish. They waste
their time playing when there are more important things to do".
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And he committed his life to more important things to do.
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That means his passion is to expand awareness,
knowledge and training to communities of colour
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who have not known about the accessibility,
practicality and helpfulness of Reiki.
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In his free time - now it gets interesting -
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Muniqui loves dancing and was a
professional Hula dancer for 10 years.
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He has been doing Latin dancing for 20 years.
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So, Muniqui, I think I wouldn't
want to dance with a professional.
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But do fill me in: what is Hula dancing, please?
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Hula is the language of the heart.
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It is ...
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the way to express yourself with someone is telling,
is saying something with words.
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The dancer is actually telling the story through movement.
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It's a way to harmonize with nature and to express yourself.
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And it's the language of the Hawaiian people.
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It is a very beautiful, not just art form,
but way of communicating and expressing yourself.
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In ancient times, the men who dance Hula,
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their training is so intense, that they
were selected to be the warriors in battle
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because the Hula training is that intense.
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But it's also very graceful, very dynamic, very beautiful.
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And I do appreciate the Hawaiian teachers.
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Aloha to all Kumu Hulas who taught me.
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I appreciate being able to learn from the Hawaiian people.
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Wow, I didn't expect this.
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There was so much warmth and ...
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so much passion.
I just had an RTalk on 'passion'.
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Maybe we should have spoken about ...
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Hula dancing and passionate passions,
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the language of the heart and how that
communicates with the fact that gracefulness
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and warriorship that they are not mutually exclusive.
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Instead of irritation.
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Did I say that rightly? That warrior and ...
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You said it right.
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Because when a person is ... you can be the ...
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you know, all strength type of warrior,
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but the well-rounded type are the people who
can display both strength and grace at the same time,
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where you can see beauty and
technique and refinement.
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These kind of things are what's the difference
between just, you know ....
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some big, hulking bundle of muscle versus
someone who's fine with grace, with style,
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who can balance something on their fingers
and balance something on their fingers
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and like moving like the water at the same time, there's
a strength there that not necessarily everyone knows.
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You can hide your strength and yet still have it.
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That's one thing I learned
when I was doing Hula dancing,
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And I think you're touching on an important point.
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Actually, this is what this Congress is all about.
I mean ... and it has nothing to do with Reiki,
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but it has a lot to do with consciousness
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and that is integrating that capability
in me of strength and hardness
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and even aggression as much as integrating what
people might call the 'soft skills' and things like that.
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And of course, very often people think that when they
integrate the less attractive sides of their personalities ...
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This doesn't mean that we have
to use them, to explore them.
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And in martial arts, one of
the most beautiful things ...
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- I've just had a Karate Reiki student
in my class, and we spoke about that.
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He said very clearly that the best Karate and
martial artist is the one who's never in a fight.
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That is actually true.
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That's actually true, because ...
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it is not learning the martial arts,
it's not about learning them to fight.
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It's about life training.
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It's a life skill, as is Hula dancing.
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I would be perfectly happy to learn the Hula and never
be on stage because it's the training, the life skills.
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In martial arts, when you get so refined in your technique
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that you actually seek to avoid confrontation and
physical encounters that can harm another individual.
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That is a sign of a true master because with
all the different knowledge and skills,
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it will be easy to do something to someone.
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But why would I want to do that?
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When you reach that level of thinking, that's when
you know you're reached a level of mastery in life,
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not just karate, but in life.
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Yeah.
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And I think it's more than just a level
of thinking and a mental attitude.
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I think it's a holistic approach.
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But we are getting very excitedly - I'm
pleased about it - off to a different track.
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We meant to speak about irritation.
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And you know, when I looked up 'irritation'
in preparation for our conversation,
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googled and so on, I found zillions of videos and what have you.
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But they mainly dealt with skin irritation and that kind of thing.
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But that's not ...
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That's not the irritation we mean, don't we?
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So, let me ask you: anything irritated you today?
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Yes, there was some paperwork that I needed to file,
and I had all the documents and everything,
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then when I get to where I was supposed to be,
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the person or people who are supposed
to do it, they were in other meetings
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or they had other plates, they were full of other things.
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And so I took time out of my schedule to go fill out this paperwork.
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But the people were not there to help me to do their part.
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And so that was irritating.
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And so I had to think to myself, do I ...?
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How do I handle it?
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Do I just breathe with it?
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Or do I make a fuss?
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I just chose to breathe with it, because what can I do?
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It's not like, you know, if I would have gotten there earlier,
I wouldn't have had that trouble.
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Fortunately, though, some things worked out
and I was able to get that paperwork done and
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no one got ... no one got spoken to harshly.
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And so everything worked out fine.
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And yet sometimes it is OK to be accessing the
capability of harshness, to pick up on your words.
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Sometimes it's OK to speak.
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I was ... we had a dinner last night,
the whole group, and then there was a
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birthday surprise, which was nice.
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But some of us were tired.
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We wanted to go to bed.
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And the people there took a long time to come with the bill.
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That really irked me, that really irritated me.
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It started irritating me after I told them
the first time and I wasn't irritated, I said:
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"Do you mind if we can already settle the bill before birthday
cakes and things arrive? Then we have dealt with that part."
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And then I waited and waited and waited and waited.
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And that's when the irritation came and I
went to speak and I felt it was a situation,
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there was a lot of turbulence where it was
very useful to speak a very clear word.
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And I actually said to the lady:
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"I'm sorry, but I'm getting very impatient and irritated.
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Please help me and please bring the bill now!"
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And minutes later, it was there.
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So sometimes there are moments
where suppressing your ill feeling
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is not necessarily the best, the best of all strategies, don't you think?
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That is true.
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That's very true.
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But I would say the real trick ... not the real trick.
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The real thing is to learn when to express your irritation and how.
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Because there are different ...
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Timing is important, but also how do you express it.
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If a person only knows one way to express irritation,
they become, it becomes robotic, monotonous.
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But ...
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there are times when you can express your irritation
by simply being silent and looking at the individual.
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And they'll get the message.
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Or ...
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Sometimes the best way to express irritation
is to speak to someone in calm, measured tones.
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René, I think we're not communicating now.
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For example, for example!
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... We are communicating! ... I'm using you as an example.
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For example.
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I'm with you.
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I'm with you, entirely, with you.
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And I think you said an important thing.
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If people have only one way to deal
with it, it becomes reactionary actually.
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It's not no longer a considered
- and I don't mean mentally prepared -
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but a reflected ...
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You're not coming with the right intent
into whatever you're going to do next
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if it is purely a result of a cause and the
one option I have, the one strategy I have,
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I will explode.
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I will ...
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I've found a beautiful example of how to express your irritation.
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Would you like to see it?
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Please, do, please.
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I'd like to see that.
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Yes.
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Do you recognize this lady?
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I've seen her a few times.
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I kind of recognize her.
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She was in a public foyer of a public building and
she knew cameras and reporters were close by.
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Whether or not the Queen intended her words
at the Welsh Parliament yesterday to be heard
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is not clear, Buckingham Palace won't say.
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But we do now know what the Queen thinks of
world leaders who have not yet committed to
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next month's climate change summit. COP26.
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"Extraordinary, isn't it?", she said.
"I've been hearing all about COP.
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Still don't know who's coming.
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No idea."
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She went on: "We only know
about people who are not coming.
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It's really irritating when they talk, but they don't do."
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The conference of Parties or 'COP26' the Queen spoke about
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is the UN Climate Change Summit in Glasgow
at the end of this month.
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The British government is hosting the world and the
Queen will attend along with other senior royals.
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So, I found this a rather amusing way how the
Queen found a way to deal with her irritation.
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Oh yeah, the Queen has ... especially at her age,
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she has experienced multiple ways of expressing irritation.
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But also ... why she says she's irritated.
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She's irritated because of people who say but they don't do.
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And that is one of the many different causes of irritation.
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And just to be honest, and sometimes I
personally sometimes get irritated
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with myself, sometimes I'm like,
I know how to do this.
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I didn't do it.
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Oh, and so it's sometimes self-irritation,
it's another form of irritation.
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But the Queen was referring to other people,
and it's always a good time to self-reflect
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when you are being irritated by other people
or when you yourself are a source of irritation.
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That's a good time to be reflective.
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And I strive to do that myself.
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You know, I don't always succeed, but I try.
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Well, join the club.
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Interesting because that means when other
people are irritating you, they're basically
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giving you a great opportunity to do some self-reflection, aren't they?
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Yes.
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They don't always succeed.
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I don't always get the hint.
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But the times when I do, because sometimes
you have to take a deep breath.
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Oh, OK, how do I handle this?
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There's new ways of handling this. And ...
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It's always important to be able to think quickly on your feet.
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It's easy to deal with things when you're not irritated.
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It's when you're irritated and when you're experiencing irritation,
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you really see what's inside of a person.
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How you handle it.
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And you know, we all have those days.
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Some days are better than others.
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Well, let me get a little personal here since we're amongst us here.
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You're a black man.
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You're in Japan.
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You have an Islam background.
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I mean,
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if irritation needs a few labels,
here are three for many people.
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So, and you in Japan must have felt, of course.
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I've been many times in Japan and
I know how Japanese people are
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and very often and most of the time, I'm
sure, you're facing a lot of curiosity,
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you're facing good natured probing and
sometimes for us, Westerners amazing openness
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when Japanese people approach us more exotic individuals.
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But it must have happened to you with the three labels I used, forgive me.
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You must have ...
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How do you deal with that?
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When you can feel the racism, the
discrimination about your religious background
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the bias people have, when they speak to you
and you can sense that you're ...
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you're creating irritation in them?
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How do you cope with that?
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I learned how to cope by first understanding who I'm speaking to.
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Knowing the history of the country and of the Japanese people and overall,
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knowing that I live in an area that has
not experienced many non-Asian faces,
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it's easy to understand when a person may have a reaction to me.
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I quite literally understand.
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They just simply haven't had the experience.
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And so they're only doing what they know.
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And so I keep that in mind.
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And sometimes, you know, I just turn I play a little joke on them,
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because if I say a Japanese word ... "Konichiwa"
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They immediately realize: "Oh, your Japanese is so good".
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I say: "So is yours!"
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And then they start laughing and they say: "Oh, well, I live here in Japan."
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"So do I."
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You know, so do I.
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And so, I just look at it as sometimes people
are only expressing what they know.
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And knowing that, it helps me to be patient.
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It helps me to be patient with them and
helping others, because
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I look at it as they're asking.
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So that's the key.
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Their door is actually opened by they're asking,
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So what am I going to do?
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Am I going to put in a friendly seed that may
grow to a nice tree for someone else later?
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Or am I going to put a harsh brick that will
close the door to the person's heart?
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And I like to try.
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Don't always succeed, but I like to try to ...
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do things that will help people long time after me.
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So, I try to not really take the irritation, but
there are people who generally have biases.
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And ... knowledge, properly applied knowledge
helps to clear away those biases.
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Yeah, that's a ... noble ...
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that's noble what you're saying, and I'm happy to hear
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that you're also saying, I don't always succeed in this.
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You know, I think that ...
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Agent provocateur is an expression which just came to my mind.
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Sometimes to be an irritant is actually a noble ... a noble presence.
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And in fact, I've prepared I just remembered what Socrates said about this.
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He said: "I was attached to this city as upon a
noble horse, which needed to be stirred by a gadfly.
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I never cease to rouse to persuade and reproach you, my people,
everywhere and always. I find myself in your company."
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So this is like 400 before Christ, two and a half thousand years ago,
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and this sentence is somewhat of a cornerstone for many philosophers
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who are saying, we need to speak truth, uncomfortable truths
in the knowledge that we are making ourselves unpopular.
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And you know what they're saying?
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The first person who gets shot is the bearer of news.
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So, rooted in this thought of Socrates,
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there is a way - and I personally ...
in my personal life, I've often felt
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that I played this role, that I was a catalyst for reactions in others.
0:22:36.960,0:22:40.740
Now, I like probably you and probably the rest of humanity,
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we all are individuals who at the heart of hearts want
to be loved and want to be embraced and respected.
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But to be the bearer of ill news occasionally is not
the place where you're making yourself popular.
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So, I was with my question and with my cheekiness
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to not let an elephant stand in the room,
of you being a black man, being of Muslim descent,
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by voicing this I wanted ...
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Some of the viewers may have been irritated by that
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because it's border-case of political correctness to speak like that.
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And when you are that irritant, when you are
the bearer of bad news and when you fail to
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come from that noble spot you have
described, what do you make of your ...
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of your role in such moments where you are obviously a catalyst
for bias or even a bearer of news, which is unpopular.
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First of all, I always strive to come from
the standpoint of view (that) is:
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What is truth, what is based on actual fact,
not my opinion, not how I feel,
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what's the actual facts?
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As long as I'm standing on the actual facts, then
I have no problem expressing unpopular opinion.
0:24:24.540,0:24:25.500
And ...
0:24:26.620,0:24:32.769
if I have to, I have to force the issue because
when you're standing on the facts ...
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then ...
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No one else has anything else to really to argue with,
except for the things that are not factual.
0:24:42.549,0:24:48.279
And I just ... when people are trying to do
that with me I just try to remind them:
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Number one, let's stick to the facts.
0:24:54.650,0:24:56.470
Because number two,
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When we ...
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There's no reason for you to be irritated.
0:25:00.950,0:25:02.359
I'm the one who's irritated.
0:25:02.750,0:25:05.119
I'm trying to help you to help me.
0:25:06.529,0:25:09.869
I would appreciate it if we could have some cooperation here.
0:25:09.953,0:25:17.230
And sometimes if they don't, well, then I just simply
have to remove myself from that situation and cause.
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I choose where to go and where to be.
0:25:24.980,0:25:36.890
I do not choose to be around people or places that find
my personage irritating and they are tolerating me.
0:25:36.970,0:25:40.190
Because I don't do that to others,
and I don't expect them do that to me.
0:25:40.350,0:25:49.250
So, I choose if they are being very irritating
to myself and I'm feeling irritation.
0:25:49.700,0:25:53.080
Well, then I choose to remove myself from that situation because
0:25:53.200,0:25:59.450
there's at least hundred and twenty six million people
in Japan alone, seven billion people on the planet.
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I don't have to ...
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I choose my space.
0:26:04.039,0:26:08.180
And the Earth is a big place.
0:26:08.569,0:26:12.358
So if this place over here is irritating,
0:26:12.360,0:26:14.620
well, I'll go over here.
0:26:15.550,0:26:18.500
You know, and move on and leave them be.
0:26:18.890,0:26:26.220
Because ... if my presence is causing them irritation,
ok, fine, I'll remove myself.
0:26:26.303,0:26:32.460
But if their presence is causing irritation, it's like, hey ...
there's a parting of the ways here.
0:26:33.559,0:26:35.119
You go your way and I go mine.
0:26:35.900,0:26:36.525
Yeah.
0:26:38.059,0:26:43.160
Interesting, because I have recently been in situations
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where with all goodwill to collaborate and to ... do the right thing ...
0:26:52.730,0:27:02.569
Well, first of all, it created what I call a dissonance
- a copout word for fight or disagreement.
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And first of all, I wanted to say, I think
it's valuable and I hear that from you also
0:27:13.250,0:27:20.460
that when there is a situation where there is
what seems to be an unsolvable dispute
0:27:21.400,0:27:24.410
that I ask myself, what's my contribution in this?
0:27:25.579,0:27:29.839
How come I created this experience in my life?
0:27:31.250,0:27:34.150
I found that recently very powerful.
0:27:34.233,0:27:39.470
Also talking to other people, to organizations like where I am now,
0:27:40.190,0:27:48.829
when there is a dissonance to ask, OK, it's easy
to pinpoint the catalysts that which went wrong.
0:27:49.549,0:27:52.910
It's easy to pinpoint people and the problem.
0:27:54.049,0:27:59.510
But let's take a step back and ask ourselves ...
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how come I'm part of this?
0:28:04.099,0:28:12.259
Where did I take a decision to go that way,
where I'm landing now, where I am now?
0:28:12.799,0:28:19.640
And in that situation, if it's clear that
I am co-responsible for my own experience,
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that helps me and has helped recently a number of other people
0:28:24.130,0:28:27.260
to then come and do exactly what you said:
0:28:27.670,0:28:32.000
be conscious of the fact I'm walking on my own two feet.
0:28:32.509,0:28:35.309
And if the situation is unbearable,
0:28:36.170,0:28:39.619
one of the choices I do have is walk away from it.
0:28:40.950,0:28:41.640
It is.
0:28:41.723,0:28:42.529
That's true.
0:28:42.829,0:28:46.970
It's also difficult because emotions are involved.
0:28:47.390,0:28:53.500
And when our hearts are involved, sometimes we want to ...
0:28:53.690,0:28:56.390
well, for lack of better terms, stay and fight.
0:28:56.520,0:29:02.569
Not that it is physical, but stay and continue
to have an argument or a discussion
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because we feel passionate about the topic.
0:29:06.470,0:29:07.095
But.
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There are times when we have ... I personally
... and I can't speak for other people,
0:29:13.963,0:29:15.529
but I choose to ask myself.
0:29:18.049,0:29:23.299
What would be the purpose of me staying in this discussion?
0:29:25.359,0:29:29.259
Am I trying to change the other person's mind?
0:29:29.380,0:29:31.119
What's the benefit to myself?
0:29:31.203,0:29:32.710
What's the benefit to them?
0:29:33.369,0:29:36.759
Is it worth it to that person?
0:29:36.843,0:29:38.079
Is it worth it to myself?
0:29:38.349,0:29:40.720
Is it worth to the people who are listening?
0:29:41.140,0:29:43.599
And if the answer is no, then you know what?
0:29:44.650,0:29:47.109
I respect myself ...
0:29:49.329,0:29:50.349
enough to say:
0:29:51.960,0:29:52.585
You ...
0:29:53.009,0:29:59.970
You're more than ... you, sir or ma'am, you
can have your ideas. That is totally fine.
0:30:00.450,0:30:01.890
I will go over here.
0:30:02.099,0:30:03.809
Now, do we do it all the time?
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Of course not.
0:30:04.602,0:30:05.228
I mean ...
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But the point is,
0:30:07.910,0:30:10.840
it's something that I strive to practice,
0:30:11.830,0:30:15.410
don't always succeed, but strive to practice it because
0:30:15.720,0:30:17.450
it's easy to do on social media.
0:30:18.170,0:30:22.230
Some person is deliberately choosing to
misrepresent your words or something.
0:30:22.320,0:30:23.970
Ok, well, thank you very much.
0:30:24.053,0:30:24.679
Have a nice day.
0:30:24.910,0:30:25.535
OK.
0:30:26.400,0:30:31.500
They're trying to goad you sometimes.
They're trying to trying to irritate you.
0:30:32.099,0:30:36.290
Well, it's my choice if ...
0:30:36.460,0:30:43.259
person X may be trying to irritate me, but that doesn't
mean that I have to go along with the program.
0:30:43.890,0:30:45.240
I just choose not to.
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OK.
0:30:46.589,0:30:49.230
You can think that, but ... see you then.
0:30:51.770,0:30:54.050
It's easy to see on social media.
0:30:54.880,0:31:01.930
Yeah, I quite agree with you and this is one
reason why these RTalks are not edited.
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They're either broadcast or they're not being broadcast.
0:31:07.930,0:31:10.000
I find that very valuable.
0:31:10.083,0:31:15.760
People can hear you and me, they can hear
from the horse's mouth, so to speak,
0:31:16.170,0:31:19.029
what you and I said in conversation with each other.
0:31:20.710,0:31:22.069
And we're coming to an end.
0:31:22.539,0:31:27.349
This has been, you know, one of the things
I enjoyed talking to you
0:31:27.433,0:31:28.809
there was always so much warmth,
0:31:30.400,0:31:33.390
humanity, so much closeness.
0:31:33.473,0:31:34.630
We don't know each other.
0:31:35.329,0:31:43.930
I've spoken twice to you online so far, and I always
felt that we had a lot of fun also talking to each other.
0:31:44.529,0:31:46.750
A lot of humor, which is important to you.
0:31:47.140,0:31:52.059
So how do you feel and maybe some closing words for our viewers, please?
0:31:53.089,0:31:58.970
First, I want to say thank you, René, for the
opportunity to have this conversation.
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To me, it's necessary and I'm just going to strive to be a better person.
0:32:12.890,0:32:17.329
And if I'm not, don't get irritated with me.
0:32:17.920,0:32:20.839
... don't get irritated with me.
0:32:21.410,0:32:23.299
I'm a work in progress.
0:32:24.619,0:32:27.380
Oh, what a beautiful closing.
0:32:27.980,0:32:35.700
And I think there are very few people out there
who cannot put their signature on this sentence:
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I'm a work in progress.
0:32:37.369,0:32:39.170
I certainly subscribe to that.
0:32:39.529,0:32:42.650
I thank you very much for this wonderful conversation.
0:32:43.400,0:32:44.660
Have a good night's sleep.
0:32:44.743,0:32:46.160
It's late in Japan now.
0:32:46.243,0:32:46.869
Bye-bye.
0:32:47.359,0:32:47.985
Take care.
0:32:48.069,0:32:48.694
Bye-bye, René.
0:32:49.099,0:32:51.769
Bye-bye, Muniqui. I very much appreciated it.
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Dear viewers, thank you for watching.
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I hope you will join us again in three weeks time.
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Subscribe if you like and bye-bye for tonight.
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